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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nerdponx wrote: post #118
pif wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are missing the point! With a row of buttons, you can count and you do not need visual attention. With a screen, instead, you must look even to understand whether you are on a clickable object at all!

Great, we have gone from a horrible and extremely unsafe design to a bad and mildly unsafe design. What happened to the ~5 decades of design ranging from "decent" to "great"? Even the worst-designed dashboard of the early 00s was better than what we have now in many cases. Give me my damn knobs back.

I was going to agree, from the description above, that this was still a bad design.

But having looked at the picture, it seems fine. There are four sets of buttons that do different things. It will take negligible time to locate the one you want, after which you can stop looking at the panel. The buttons won't move and you'll be aware when you've pressed them.

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Post by dybber »

biofox wrote: post #121
redindian75 wrote: post #111

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model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

That sounds like a poor solution to a problem of their own making

It will probably make production costs cheaper in the long run to avoid as many buttons as possible, unless legislation forbids it due to safety concerns. I’m on team Hyundai in this case, but if you want to produce the cheapest possible car, you will have to reduce the amount of components that needs to be installed.

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Post by colordrops »

wlesieutre wrote: post #194
judge2020 wrote: post #168

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An update came out around November of last year that vastly improved auto high-beams, and somewhat improved automatic windshield wiper performance.

I mean the voice control features specifically. Didn’t hear anything about the auto high beams and wipers which could imply they worked better than the voice recognition.

I'm a native speaker, maybe I have good enunciation. I'm amazed at how accurate the voice recognition is. It almost never makes a mistake, even with obscure location names. It displays on the screen what it thinks you said and even updates it as more heavy duty ML requests come back with better results.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by rytis »

rippercushions wrote: post #220
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

> voice commands for everything

how do they work in small spaces when there's active noise around (small children screaming for example)?

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Post by sundvor »

gffrd wrote: post #201
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

Ironically, perhaps, the car everyone must be complaining about in this thread introduced call transfer controls that avoids just this. Through an OTA update.

Yes, it's Tesla.

If you're already on a call when the car connects to the phone, you must press an on screen button to transfer the call to the car audio.

(Bloody brilliant, if you ask me; and also something that couldn't be introduced to existing cars post release that were buttons only. I was quite anti-screen before I got mine, but now that I've gotten firmly used to it - and seeing enhancements every few months, I'm quite happy. I would like more generic mappable buttons on the steering wheel, but it's not a deal breaker).

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Post by NoPicklez »

nerdponx wrote: post #119
NoPicklez wrote: post #24

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I dare say the thought process is that, does it really matter over and above how they have already designed it? If you spend enough time in your own car you will get pretty darn good at finding your buttons with the smallest of glances. I don't think car designers really see the benefit, when they're constantly changing their dashboard designs. Touchscreen however is a no go.

They could also just stop changing the designs and go with what's worked for 50-70 years.

That's a recipe for keeping horses rather than cars.

Designs should change and improve as technology improves, however it needs to move in a responsible direction. What we had 50-70 years ago is quite different from what we have now.

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Post by nikau »

anaganisk wrote: post #68
maztaim wrote: post #21

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I can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getti…

Strangely, Does Hyundai/Kia have some difference wrt engines in US and India? Never heard anyone complain about engine in India even after 62k miles, they are quite popular among taxi drivers, who definitely stress the engine more than enough. Indian roads can be quite punishing on cars.

Taxis are one of the least stressed engines as they stay at operating temperature for most of their life, more so when they are run 24/7 with multiple shifts.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

sundvor wrote: post #255
gffrd wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

Ironically, perhaps, the car everyone must be complaining about in this thread introduced call transfer controls that avoids just this. Through an OTA update. Yes, it's Tesla. If you're already on a call when the car connects to the phone, you must press an on screen button to transfer the call to the car audio. (Bloody brilliant, if you ask me; and also something that couldn't be introduced to existing cars post rel…

I was sort of in the anti-touchscreen camp too, but the early 2020 Tesla has just the right controls on the wheel and stocks that I don’t mind the screen. And, also, the big screen for maps and backup cameras is really nice.

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #203
qgin wrote: post #188

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I could live with auto-connect, but the assumption that I want to immediately start playing anything seems like a nuts assumption to me.

I believe it's controlled from the phone side of things. I'll listen to some music, watch a video, whatever on my phone. I'll pause it, turn off my bluetooth headphones. Then some time much later, I'll get a phone call, turn my headphones on. When the call ends, suddenly what I had been playing starts playing again through my headphones. It's been a wide variety of apps, not one single thing: podcasts, youtube videos…

My experience is the opposite: I used to use Bluetooth to aux adapters, and some of them wouldn’t send a play command on connection and some would.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ad-astra »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

This is why I always turn off Bluetooth when watching porn, otherwise my phone auto-connects to my wife’s Mini Cooper when she drives into the garage. DAMN YOU AUTO-CONNECT!!
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