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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by beAbU »

qgin wrote: post #188
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

I could live with auto-connect, but the assumption that I want to immediately start playing anything seems like a nuts assumption to me.

Ironic, I'm /completely/ the opposite. My radio cannot connect and start playing music fast enough.

The radio stations in my area are all total and utter shit, and I'd rather listen to white noise while I wait for the BT to connect and start playing my music. I find it difficult to even listen to a radio station for a minute these days. It's now permanently set to a dead frequency.

My old car had an aftermarket head unit that would stay on the BT mode when I start the car, not making a sound while it's connecting. Current car always defaults to FM, and only when it's connected then I can go to the BT source option and get music from my phone. It's horrible!

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by spockz »

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #177
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

I just bought an Ioniq 5 a couple of months ago. The buttons are legit great, and the EV drive train is top notch. Loving it so far.

I loved the look and interior of the Ioniq 5. However when testdriving it, it felt sitting on a plank getting tossed about while going over roundabouts. I also had it loose grip and have the FWD kick in in situations and conditions that have never been an issue at higher speeds in my previous (smaller and lower) cars and my current XC90.

maybe it had something to do with the large amount of power it has. But it felt scary enough for me to not try it.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tanto »

Amazing! When I bought my last car, I ensured there were physical buttons for everything I regularly use. While driving, most things happen without much thinking, and touch screens feel like the antithesis of that idea. I recently had to drive a car with a touch screen for, e.g. AC and radio control. I failed miserably to turn off the radio for 3 hours on the highway. I usually expect these things to be intuitive enough to do without reading the manual of a car.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tedk-42 »

Reading the comments here remind me of the days when the iPhone was first released to the masses and everyone was like 'oh no i want my physical keyboard it feels good'.

Good times looking back.

Any button not on the steering wheel will require you to look away from the road, even for a split second. In that split second something can jump out in front of you. You can blame the touch screen or other things, shoot maybe even if you were looking straight ahead your mind might have drifted (as is the case with long distance, boring driving after hours without a break). No amount of UI will fix that.

Best we can hope for is better tech in the car for obstacle detection and avoidance.

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Post by beAbU »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #211
thesuitonym wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no magic solution that would, without user intervention, automatically know which phone you want to connect. It can't (yet) read your mind.

There is a magic solution. It's called "Ask the user". All these companies think they know what's best for users, with their minimal settings, AI, and auto-magic this-that. Just ask .

"Hey, last time you drove in me you were listening to music via bluetooth. I found the following _two_ devices that I can connect to. Whuch one do you want?"

Perfect solution for the touch screen. Show a bunch of fat icons for all the found and paired devices. Usually it'll be 2-3 devices. Make it easy to tap your option as you are getting settled in the car.

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Post by Tade0 »

gffrd wrote: post #201
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

This is why I hate that modern flagship phones usually don't have a headphone jack.

Once you pair devices, it defaults to this connection.

My SO often borrows my noise-canceling headphones and as it stands they're firmly paired with her iPad and will not let go without elaborate ceremony.

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Post by kristopolous »

b112 wrote: post #139
pornel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hyundai is on a roll now. IONIQ 5 is one of the fastest-charging EVs, and yes, still has physical buttons.

I wish someone would EV a convertible, a glass roof is nice, but a convertible cannot be heavier that all that glass.

What I really want is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio in the US.

Here's some pictures, that thing is so cute https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/09/gms-wuling-mini-ev-cabr...

I'd especially love it as a vacation rental. A Hawaiian trip with that thing would be great.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by supportengineer »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #210
gffrd wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I turn my bluetooth completely off for this reason. It's the only way I can figure to prevent this.

The only way to win is not to play.

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Post by beAbU »

eindiran wrote: post #89
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidem…

This is an international problem, whith every location having a model/brand that's preferred by the thieves. Market forces and all that.

In South Africa, the best car security you can have by far is to simply park next to a VW Polo/Golf. The VW will _always_ be stolen first. Don't forget to set a reminder to go out at some point, so that you can move your car and park it next to another VW, as the first one would be stolen by then.

A close second are Toyota Hilux and Fortuner.

All these cars are super popular, both to own and steal. Result is insurance premiums that can be double normal rates, especially if you fall in the "young and reckless" demographic.

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Post by cidergal »

bmitc wrote: post #90
avmich wrote: post #48

For long time I wondered why UI in spacecrafts is so inconvenient. Apollo computer UI seems to be lacking. Soyuz UI, while seems to improve over years (ha, it would be strange, over so many years...), still looks clunky. And then - Crew Dragon comes with touch screens. Don't they understand it's a big step back? There are benefits of "fluid" interfaces, but where is the attention to important features, ability to use…

I have been in the room, so to speak, when the design of a fusion reactor control room was being discussed. I feel the answer is simply: because engineers "design" these things. I feel like the design of spaces is simply not considered very well if at all. I get the feeling that maybe aircraft do it best? Or at least that's the impression that I have had.

Agreed. These systems tend to be designed by engineers without a lot of input from designers.
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