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Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by redeeman »

bigbillheck wrote: post #213
redeeman wrote: post #170

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its kinda easy to be labelled neonazi these days

Yeah, you don't have to be an actual neonazi, just be friends with and support them and their views.

being labelled neonazi is about as easy as being labelled "libtard". The very left oriented people often have a strong sense of moral superiority, and will directly accuse anyone who does not agree of being a neonazi. in general i would say though, when you are pointing with one finger, 4 are pointing back at yourself (and by this I dont mean you, its an expression)

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by antiterra »

Edd314159 wrote: post #235
graypegg wrote: post #199

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This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter. Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by fin…

> Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. This is a strawman. Commenter said anything about the right to free speech, only about the willingness to be exposed to opposing viewpoints. We all know that Bob is not obligated to listen to Alice, and he is not required to host a venue for her opinions. But Bob's eagerness to r…

What exactly is not a virtue about Bob’s eagerness to be able to eat lunch with friends and associates without having random people poking in and saying cruel things about his existence?

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by konart »

krapp wrote: post #180
brabel wrote: post #173

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

>but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. You misunderstand. Being banned from a Mastodon instance doesn't mean you disappear never to be heard from again. No one is going to try to murder you. You're still allowed to participate in society and communicate. Also, the "correct worldview" in this context…

>Also, the "correct worldview" in this context means not being a racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic asshole.

This is oversimplifying things.

Here is the example: https://gts.superseriousbusiness.org/@gotosocial/statuses/01...

>We do not work with transphobes/fascists/racists. If you open an issue or PR on our git repo and we see you are one of those things, or hang out with people like that

So I can't really be part of the team if a person whom I follow on github or somewhere else is somehow "correct worldview". I may even not be aware of this.

Not to mention that many people actually have no idea what they are talking about and use words like "nazis" only to describe abstract "bad people" as opposed to their image of "good people"

Example from the same link:

>we are a strictly antifascist organization. we have zero tolerance for fascism or anything that enables or allows it. (yes that includes capitalism)

Apparently I won't be able to participate if I follow Bill Gates blog.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by jrm4 »

For what it's worth, my Mastodon experience.

Broadly, I think the best use of Mastodon IS to be a Twitter competitor; a noisy town square.

What I have seen is -- the disagreeable people on Twitter want to publically fight. They want to push their bad ideas and have everyone listen to them, and thus are willing to get into it.

The disagreeable people on Mastodon want to silence others. They're more block happy and don't want to be questioned at all.

That's why, presently, I prefer the disagreeable people over at Twitter; they're actually using the platform better (and you can possibly change their minds)

I do hope this changes.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by jrm4 »

devjab wrote: post #154
sbuttgereit wrote: post #33

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" Zero toxicity and probably several magnitudes more meaningful conversations with people from all around the world. This apparently comes from the kinds of people I could find and connect with. " So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation... sure, I could buy that line. A quick perusal…

> So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation. I'm not sure which mastodon server you are on, or which ones you're linked with, but I'm on Universeodon and I've frankly seen nothing of the sort. You do have a point of course, but I haven't seen any sort of toxic behaviour. Toxic and hate…

I have absolutely seen toxic behavior, because it was levelled at me.

Specifically, for the "sin" of defending people who choose to also remain at Twitter because we still have some people we care about over there (in my case, lots of Black folks who haven't made the switch.)

And for that, I've been called, e.g. a Nazi.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by raspberry1337 »

eecc wrote: post #252
raspberry1337 wrote: post #217

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Furthermore, leftism needs to have these banning-systems because modern leftism cannot survive in a free speech environment. This is why all leftists started leaving twitter when Musk took over and promised free speech (not freedom of reach), they knew instantly that the gig was up.

uh-uh-uh-uh, wait a minute, please contain your prejudice. First off, you're talking of a very narrow and US-centric definition of "leftist". Second, it's tiresome to hear this constant whining about "leftists" that cannot tolerate (or in your version, survive free speech) different views. It's simply not true, what doesn't rub well is constant complaints about being disrepsected for maintaining some frankly disrespe…

All freespeech platforms, from 4chan to twitter, are pre-dominantly right wing.

All censorship-based platforms, such as reddit or mastodon that has _mods_, are left wing.

Secondly, the woke left is the same in the US as it is in Europe. The west is one global entity these days. JK Rowling is hated by swedish leftists and california leftists.

Third, "it's simply not true" is not a convincing argument in the face of millions of examples. Why do you think all the biggest comedians in the US avoid colleges?

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by kitsunesoba »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #262
brabel wrote: post #173

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

So what I see often happens that gets people banned based on their political views tends to be someone trying to start a debate where someone else was not in a debate. Trans person: *exists and makes a post* "Honest debater": I don't think you should... And they get banned. Not everything is or was an invitation to "debate".

Also known as (if I’m not mistaken) “reply guys”: those who attempt to hijack threads by replying to posts and steering the conversation towards something only tangentially related to the post/poster, almost always in an adversarial manner, rather than starting their own threads for the topics they’re wanting to discuss.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by Pxtl »

baxuz wrote: post #209

Can someone please explain how Mastodon is anything else except Reddit with more hoops to jump through? You have users, subreddits (servers), and mods. Except everything is federated, so you also have the overhead of choosing your server or making a ton of alt accounts. Flashback to old MMO times.

It's very different. Servers are not subreddits -- your account lives on a single server, for example. In fact, the fact that servers are both the auth/identity system and topic-based moderation is imho one of the biggest design weaknesses of mastodon.

Anyhow, it's more "federated Twitter" than anything else. Particularly early twitter before the quote-tweets, algorithmic feed, and other modern features.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by Pxtl »

aktenlage wrote: post #269
baxuz wrote: post #209

Can someone please explain how Mastodon is anything else except Reddit with more hoops to jump through? You have users, subreddits (servers), and mods. Except everything is federated, so you also have the overhead of choosing your server or making a ton of alt accounts. Flashback to old MMO times.

There are no up and downvotes, so it's purely chronological. There are Hashtags. User mentions are more common.

Likes/favrs are basically upvotes, really. The like count isn't displayed up front but it's there.
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