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Re: Leaving China

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Post by selimthegrim »

_kava wrote: post #234
partiallypro wrote: post #124

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A vast majority of Vietnamese view China in a worse light than the US, and China and Vietnam have recently had quarrels over the South China Sea. They share a lot of history...and some of that history includes China invading Vietnam several times. I wouldn't count on Vietnam siding with China in a global conflict.

>I wouldn't count on Vietnam siding with China in a global conflict. The last global conflict had the current Vietnamese government sided with China and the USSR against the US. I think you already lost that bet. I would like to ask you for sources on Vietnamese sentiment regarding China and the US. But that is probably irrelevant. What the majority of Vietnamese think ultimately doesn't mean anything, because it isn…

I think you skipped right over 1979 and Cambodia.

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Post by chii »

EFreethought wrote: post #221
simonh wrote: post #76

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They do change, in mainland China they have devolved considerably under Xi. I have Family over there, and a lot of the optimism of a decade ago was already being squeezed out of the country before the pandemic.

I have never been to China, but to me it seems that with all their faults that ultimately Deng, Jiang and Hu wanted what was best for China. But Xi seems to care about Xi.

It may also be possible that Xi is imagining the revival of china as a world empire that would rival that of the USA today, and this is born of both hubris, as well as egomaniacal desire of "washing away the shameful century".

I think people like that are the reasons why the world isn't at peace. China could've become the next japan. They could've probably overtaken the US that way too. But now, they've "alerted" the eagle, and the US will never let china become a superpower.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by throw48294858 »

jasonjei wrote: post #110
scrubs wrote: post #97

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Although off topic from the original post, would you entertain this question? What's Taiwan's position on integration with China? What does Taiwan want for itself? I'd like to hear more about that minus American and Chinese input.

This is an extremely interesting question because I’ve heard various viewpoints. The vast majority want to keep the “technical debt” (legacy code being “Republic of China”) of this uneasy bridge to China—that is trade and movement of people between the strait, and maintaining the status quo of the “Republic of China” government (controlling Taiwan) and PRC (controlling China or “mainland”). Many Taiwanese don’t want…

Interestingly the protest in Hong Kong was triggered by a Hongkonger who murdered his girlfriend while they were vacationing in Taiwan.

Taiwan was in negotiations with Hong Kong to extradite him and the protestors were afraid of the implications.

In the end, a much stronger National Security Law was passed after the riots and the murderer still walks free.

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Post by CydeWeys »

favaq wrote: post #98
varjag wrote: post #87

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You sure your ESL class is a bigger contribution to a host economy than a skilled welder?

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All those immigrant tech workers in the US are assuredly adding more to the economy than they are taking. (And yes, they are immigrants on the path to US citizenship, not expats.) Your argument makes no sense.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by scrubs »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #280
scrubs wrote: post #130

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For the loser? That's like the mob's take on what practical operational control means. >My subjective experience as an American was that Democracy is more healthy in Taiwan than it is in America. Cause why?

I don't live in Taiwan but my impressions - people are a lot more engaged with politics, general political knowledge and awareness is higher, voter turnout is higher - all of these may be as a result of the ever-looming threat of being subsumed by the mainland, but also maybe an enthusiasm for democracy since it's relatively new to the country! Taiwan has its issues with first past the post voting, quality of news me…

Thanks for the feedback. For example, the US Congress really could use some of the technical bureaucratic competence I hear Taiwan has. US institutions are in post-WWII lows right now, which is like a moist, dark, sugary place for attracting larger-than-life-personalities to no ultimate good.

As one smart guy wrote, there's three kinds of power: tradition, institutions, and personality. My coralary: weak institutions attract strong personality.

See the other conversation re: China & Taiwan below. It'd be a shame to see a good thing go away.

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Post by taw567890 »

imiric wrote: post #257
photochemsyn wrote: post #214

I suspect China's draconian, desperate attempt to eliminate Covid entirely was largely due to official guilt. They knew that their poorly managed reckless science program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the source of the outbreak, and they wanted to somehow prove they could wipe the virus out entirely (which they couldn't). Eventually they had to give up. I wonder what happens to people in China who point this…

Let's entertain the possibility that China wasn't responsible for a lab leak, and that the zoonotic theory is true. Whatever the source, we know that the Wuhan wet market was a super-spreader event, which Chinese authorities concede. Following this, China grounded all domestic flights in January 2020, yet still allowed outbound international flights well into March 2020. Countries were left to ban flights from China…

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Post by JCharante »

coldtea wrote: post #92
jasonjei wrote: post #63

I used to travel to China all the time for work during my first job in 2008. Those times were super optimistic. Hong Kong was filled with Chinese pride, and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. China had just hosted the Olympics. I visited Hong Kong late 2018 after many years of not having been there. It was a very different place from the Hong Kong I had visited in 2009-2011. The energy was a bit dar…

> Meanwhile, Taiwan’s value to the Chinese diaspora can’t be understated—it’s a bastion of a mandarin-speaking democracy. A bastion of democracy which has been a right wing dictatorship from its inception until the 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

Is self improvement not something to be applauded?

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Post by lapama »

paxys wrote: post #160
givemeethekeys wrote: post #156

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An immigrant hopes to settle down in the host country, have / grow a family there, own property and even become a citizen. Of course, if the host nation does not have a citizenship program for foreigners, then everyone who isn't a citizen is an expat. An expat hopes, even plans to move back to where they came from. They're in their host nation for work reasons only because, at least according to the expat, where they…

The author has lived there for 20 years, married there, has kids who go to local schools, yet calls himself an expat, and everyone here seems to accept that as an obvious truth. Meanwhile a million+ people coming to the USA on temporary work visas fully intending to go back to their home country (or illegally with no path to citizenship) are obviously immigrants. At some point people have to come to terms that this i…

Calling yourself an expat is a legitimate attempt to think you have got rid of prejudices against migrants so by calling yourself expat, you perceive they do not apply to you.

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Post by coupdejarnac »

tiny_ta wrote: post #13

It's so interesting to read this perspective since it drives home "the grass is always greener.." for me. I've lived a pretty charmed life in the US for the past few years (like the majority of HN, I imagine) but I find myself longing to move to a country with dense cities, affordable housing in the city center, great public infrastructure and a modicum of agreement among the citizens and China fits the bill pretty g…

You might consider Vietnam. There's going to be a lot of growth and opportunities there for a while.

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Post by CMCDragonkai »

duxup wrote: post #108
jasonjei wrote: post #63

I used to travel to China all the time for work during my first job in 2008. Those times were super optimistic. Hong Kong was filled with Chinese pride, and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. China had just hosted the Olympics. I visited Hong Kong late 2018 after many years of not having been there. It was a very different place from the Hong Kong I had visited in 2009-2011. The energy was a bit dar…

>Chinese diaspora I had no idea how wide it is until a family member married someone from Asia and he explained ot me that his family thinks of themselves as ethnically Chinese, although they're totally disconnected from China.

China is a civilisation masquerading as a nation.
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