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Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by sanktanglia »

AccountAccount1 wrote: post #4

Honestly, it's not that surprising... from an outsider, Twitch has been incredibly mismanaged in the way that they treat their content creators. And now that Youtube is robust enough to allow streaming (also with the features that streaming has) it's catching up to them. The most curious is the alienation of creators which were raking up like 60k viewers per stream by the threat of banning. If you have ever seen one…

I worked at twitch for almost 5 years and they had no idea what they were doing at all. Emmett was eternally condescending to staff and continuously listened to whoever was playing politics best. His replacement dan was equally checked out and they had no good tech or content ideas. Tech was a joke, spending 50-80% of some teams time on checking off items in huge spreadsheets to be compliant with new systems and processes that were regularly replaced by new requirements and often required rewriting services that were not in use/working just fine in new languages and frameworks to check new boxes and then the cycle repeated itself.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by jklinger410 »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

> but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes

This is basically how Television used to operate. I think it was more like, 4 ads every 15 minutes. So way more actually.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by enlyth »

atsjie wrote: post #156
ilyt wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My main problem is that frankly youtube streaming is technically better, I hoped twitch catches up but I still can't just pause a stream and "catch up" like on YT, watching archive of currently playing channel (say esport event) is also royal PITA. On YT I can tune hour late, then just jump back to match that happened, watch it, skip the intermissions and catch up, on twitch that's much more complicated. > - Softcore…

The comments and community feeling in Youtube streaming sucks. Ludwig who made the switch a year ago from Twitch to Youtube said that was his biggest nuisance with Youtube, and I agree. I stopped watching him because of it since there's more fun to be had on Twitch. Twitch is more like a bunch of monkeys which is fun and builds hype. Youtube is too serious and the chat is too slow for the streamer to properly interac…

Something about Twitch chat is magical, even though it is commonly just walls of copypasta, it feels like participating in a real, authentic audience. Often times it is more entertaining that the stream itself, just like on HN you would rush to the comments before even reading TFA to see what other people are saying.

I can't quite pinpoint why YouTube doesn't have the same feeling though.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by Asikaim »

wsatb wrote: post #47
AccountAccount1 wrote: post #4

Honestly, it's not that surprising... from an outsider, Twitch has been incredibly mismanaged in the way that they treat their content creators. And now that Youtube is robust enough to allow streaming (also with the features that streaming has) it's catching up to them. The most curious is the alienation of creators which were raking up like 60k viewers per stream by the threat of banning. If you have ever seen one…

It seems all YouTube has really done is offer massive contracts to Twitch streamers to poach them. It’s still a terrible streaming platform. Unless you already have a well established audience, you’re not going anywhere there. As for Kick, that is not a legitimate business. One, they’ve ripped off the entire UI from Twitch. Two, the anything goes attitude is not going to fly if they ever get real advertisers.

They didn't just "rip off the entire UI". Couple of years ago the entire sourcecode of Twitch leaked along with user data, SDKs, security tools etc. They used all that to create Kick after Twitch banned slots.

Last time I checked, Kick still mostly used Twitch logos and their policy documents were still talking about Twitch, since they didn't even bother looking at them.

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Post by jklinger410 »

AccountAccount1 wrote: post #4

Honestly, it's not that surprising... from an outsider, Twitch has been incredibly mismanaged in the way that they treat their content creators. And now that Youtube is robust enough to allow streaming (also with the features that streaming has) it's catching up to them. The most curious is the alienation of creators which were raking up like 60k viewers per stream by the threat of banning. If you have ever seen one…

> And now that Youtube is robust enough to allow streaming (also with the features that streaming has) it's catching up to them.

YouTube does not want you to be able to search Live content because they want to sell you YouTube Red or YouTube TV. I can't possibly agree that they are anywhere close to Twitch.

Unless you are already following a creator, or see their published content on the platform, you wouldn't even know live streaming existed on the platform.

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Post by daniel_reetz »

jklinger410 wrote: post #172
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

> but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes This is basically how Television used to operate. I think it was more like, 4 ads every 15 minutes. So way more actually.

They had carte blanche and they literally made a worse version of the television model. The staff don't get paid for their work, and we have to watch more ads that watch us.

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Post by dejawu »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

The most infuriating thing about Twitch ads is that it insists on running a thirty-second pre-roll ad. This is a platform where the focus is on liveness and immediacy, where you're very likely to open a stream because what's happening right this moment is interesting (e.g. a speedrunner on world-record pace), and then that same platform forces you to miss out on that live moment.

Literally any other form of advertising would fit Twitch better than pre-roll ads. Even a shorter pre-roll ad would be better (and probably lead to better retention). Gating people for a whole half-minute from a live event like that implies, at least to me, a company that doesn't understand their own platform.

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Post by ru552 »

tannhauser23 wrote: post #164
mrguyorama wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitch will never stop the softcore porn because it's a huge source of revenue and they DGAF that they are serving softcore porn to teens. Honestly I don't care that teens watch cammers or porn, but it's toxic to the platform to have it share the same site, and that also allows payment to be shared and basically makes it way easier for kids to pay cammers, which is super weird IMO. I also really dislike the encourage…

I’ve talked to my friends about this (we all have young children) and they had no idea softcore porn is prevalent on twitch. Not to mention actual adult stars regularly streaming. And before anybody replies “and whats wrong with that” blah blah, parents still think of twitch as a place where kids can watch minecraft. Twitch is playing with fire here.

Parents are devoid of all responsibility then?

I don't have a stance on the Twitch/softporn thing, but "think of the kids" is used too often for evil these days.

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Post by ChickenNugger »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

Alternate Player for Twitch.tv: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/alternate-player-f...

It can't skip ads completely, but it will prevent showing them.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by ChickenNugger »

ru552 wrote: post #178
tannhauser23 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve talked to my friends about this (we all have young children) and they had no idea softcore porn is prevalent on twitch. Not to mention actual adult stars regularly streaming. And before anybody replies “and whats wrong with that” blah blah, parents still think of twitch as a place where kids can watch minecraft. Twitch is playing with fire here.

Parents are devoid of all responsibility then? I don't have a stance on the Twitch/softporn thing, but "think of the kids" is used too often for evil these days.

I think it's more that twitch sells itself as a gaming platform but it's honestly closer to chaturbate than a gaming site.

Sure you can see gaming there, but it's not what dominates and is pushed by the platform.

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