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Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by yamtaddle »

colpabar wrote: post #93
prox wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not even close to softcore porn. I can go to any beach and see the same thing, or a nudie sauna, and that is hardly sexual. Hot is probably the right word. Well done if they make money from that I guess.

It seems like you're talking about something you've never seen. If you saw what I'm referring to outside of twitch, you'd immediately assume it was an onlyfans video or something. You can absolutely not see the same thing at a beach or a sauna, and if you did, the person would get kicked out. I'm not commenting on whether it's good or bad, I'm just stating something that anyone who has ever been on twitch is well awa…

It's the difference between being at a beach with people in bathing suits and just doing normal beach stuff... and one of those people moving their beach towel and umbrella so that they're directly in front of you, while making hard eye contact, then proceeding to stretch suggestively, wink at you occasionally, moan from time to time, and "accidentally" drop things in front of you with bizarre frequency so they just "have to" keep bending over in such a way that you get a great view.

One's not sexual. The other one super-duper obviously is, to everyone involved, even if the bathing suit stays on.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by madrox »

As a former Twitch staff, I wish Emmett luck. Twitch is faced with several challenges right now: increasing competition from all sides, perpetually disgruntled creators, and pressure from their parent company to hit aggressive revenue targets while shilling for Amazon Games. This is all nothing new, and Emmett has been navigating it for years. I'm ready to believe it just doesn't seem as important now as it did a year ago. Having a child will do that.

I think Twitch could benefit from a breath of fresh air. I'm a little surprised it's Dan and not someone else from Amazon, but I think that speaks to the fact Emmett went on his own terms on not theirs. Dan knows what he's doing and he'll walk the line between doing what's good for Twitch and doing what's best for creators.

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Post by echelon »

unity1001 wrote: post #22
Avicebron wrote: post #11

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I think that part of what limits what creators can do on twitch comes down to what the advertisers are willing to put up with, it's likely more that advertisers are leaning on twitch who are then leaning on creators, vs just twitch leaning on creators. As for kick, they seem to be actively ignoring/rejecting these limitations (potentially because they at least partly externally funded by stake (online gambling platfo…

> what creators can do on twitch comes down to what the advertisers are willing to put up with Eh. Then those advertisers will have to create the content from now on...

I'm tired of advertisers being averse to content most people find unobjectionable.

Advertisers need to get comfortable with nudity, swearing, and the whole range of non-abusive human behavior. They're almost as bad as the credit card companies with linking morality to commerce.

YouTube is slowly starting to relax, so I'm hoping the shift is happening.

It's okay if the person appearing next to the Big Mac says "fuck".

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Post by jsheard »

episteme wrote: post #115
capableweb wrote: post #104

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Not knowing, understanding or having any experience of the "streaming" community of the internet. What is the purpose/fun with watching someone not just gamble as in playing poker or whatever for money, but slots specifically? Feels like watching someone rolling a dice by themselves, but with fancier graphics.

People get a second hand buzz when they see people win and the streamer will react in a way that gets people excited. This naturally leads to playing slots yourself and feeling like you are part of a community. It's incredibly lucrative for gambling sites.

My favourite example of this was seeing a popular gambling streamer who had a permanent overlay reading "DO NOT GAMBLE, YOU WILL LOSE", but still raked in sponsorships from gambling sites regardless. Maybe the overlay helped him sleep at night but the sites know that wasn't actually going to deter anyone.

Then there's the shadier casinos that provide fake balances to streamers so they're never at risk of going bust, and can keep perpetually hitting the big jackpots that entice the audience...

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Post by wnevets »

tempsy wrote: post #55
sleepybrett wrote: post #40

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lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.

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> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Not spreading a deadly virus at a convention filled with strangers from all over the world is now considered "leftist extremism". The last 8 or so years really have done a number on people.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Post by nemothekid »

minimaxir wrote: post #2

What has Twitch actually done new business-wise in the past 5-6 years? Every typical user still uses the same StreamLabs widgets and alerts for years without many new ones, and most of the streaming workflow improvements are upstream in OBS itself. I honestly pegged things like Twitch Plays Pokemon back in 2014 would be the future of Twitch, and Twitch did allow some developer tools for interactivity between players…

>I honestly pegged things like Twitch Plays Pokemon back in 2014

Most of the comments on Twitch strike me as pretty weird. If I look at Twitch their problem is that, as a business, they never really broke out of their gaming niche. It's strange to suggest that Twitch should have catered more to the audience that they had already captured. Not to say that there's anything wrong with that, but for a company that took tons of VC and was acquired for a ton of money I don't think the answer to their "we need to make more money" problem is to cater even more to gamers. It's like trying to squeeze blood from a stone; we already see it in the way Twitch is squeezing more of the revenue share from large creators and refusing to entertain Google's huge content contracts.

I don't see how Twitch continues to grow by just focusing gaming - especially when the esports side is going through it own struggles now and even teams are being forced diversify into content (e.g. 100Theives selling energy drinks).

Twitch's "problem" to me is while it was a stroke of genius to break out gaming into it's own site out of Justin.tv, is that same audience has become openly hostile to any sort of non-gaming content. If you ask me the future of Twitch is with creators like KaiCenat who are able to bring different demographics to the platform with other types of content. Of course the Twitch superfans would hate to hear this; I don't envy them at all.

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Post by ilyt »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

My main problem is that frankly youtube streaming is technically better, I hoped twitch catches up but I still can't just pause a stream and "catch up" like on YT, watching archive of currently playing channel (say esport event) is also royal PITA.

On YT I can tune hour late, then just jump back to match that happened, watch it, skip the intermissions and catch up, on twitch that's much more complicated.

> - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally, girls doing ass up squats in front of the camera for a $3 donation. You cannot avoid this because its part of the platforms "culture" and even your favorite streamers will one day end up watching a clip or something on their stream. This also breeds incels and very toxic chatters.

I dunno, I never got suggested one of those during at least last few years. If I scroll for like 3 screens I get some vtubers but that's about it. I think ability to filter out by stream tags would entirely solve the problem

> - Ads. Twitch is fighting against ad-blockers. Fine by me, I can bare ads, but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes. This has gotten a lot worse lately. It is annoying and disruptive to the user experience, and thankfully there are streamers who disable them altogether as they can sustain themselves through subscriptions and donations from chatters.

On top of that they often play in absolutely wrong moments. Like getting ad immediately after clicking a new stream, before you even know whether you want to watch them or not.

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Post by ilyt »

ipaddr wrote: post #96
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

5 ads every 1/2 hour? Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

I did for like 15+ years now ? It's terrible medium

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Post by mcmcmc »

quectophoton wrote: post #94
jeffwask wrote: post #5

Amazon has really done a number on what was a fun and useful platform for viewers and creators. It was totally "enshittened".

As one example, I can't even login to Twitch since a few months ago because "my browser is not supported". (EDIT to add: Tried with Firefox and Chromium, from both v3.17 and edge Alpine Linux repositories.) I don't know what kind of fingerprinting are they doing, but it's definitely not just user agent nor IP address nor browser version. I suspect they somehow detect that I'm using Alpine Linux (it's my main OS) and…

You didn't mention what browser you're using, seems like a key detail for "browser is not supported"
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