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Post by ipaddr »

olyjohn wrote: post #116
ipaddr wrote: post #96

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5 ads every 1/2 hour? Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

Have you seen YouTube ads lately? When I stream a video to the "app" on my TV, I get 1 minute 30 seconds of ads at the beginning. Then about 1:20 into the video, I get 2 more 30 second ads. Then at 3:00 into the video, 2 more ads come on. Sometimes there are more ads than content. Ads come on literally less than 5 minute intervals, and the part that really drives me nuts is that it's always the same 2 ads over and ov…

Don't get me started on youtube ads. Youtube will punish you for logging in with more ads. They punish you for watching popular content. I can accept 5 ads totaling 2 minutes every half hour

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Post by Lev1a »

prox wrote: post #76
0000000000100 wrote: post #48

If there was one thing I wish Twitch would change, it’s the entry ads to streams. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve closed the tab while browsing for something to watch because I get an unskipable 30 second ad before I even get to see if there’s something worth watching. For reference, Twitch has invested very heavily in anti adblockers and it’s pretty difficult to sidestep the ads these days without paying $5/mon…

They don’t tell you this on the whole, but there is an adfree turbo subscription: https://www.twitch.tv/turbo

Which does nothing [1] for the streamers you actually watch, only for Twitch itself.

"Paying" the streamer for the ad(s) being not shown due to Turbo, i.e. fractions of a cent. If you're mainly watching 1-2 streamers subscribing directly to them does more for them for almost the same money. The streamer is still only getting 50% of the sub fee but at least that's ~ $2.50 rather than a few cents per month for many hours of watched content.

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Post by mrguyorama »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

Twitch will never stop the softcore porn because it's a huge source of revenue and they DGAF that they are serving softcore porn to teens. Honestly I don't care that teens watch cammers or porn, but it's toxic to the platform to have it share the same site, and that also allows payment to be shared and basically makes it way easier for kids to pay cammers, which is super weird IMO. I also really dislike the encouragement of parasocial relationships on the platform. It's a huge problem in camming in general but twitch makes parasocial relationships a competitive sport through some really messed up crowd psychology.

"Mommy give me twenty bucks for twitch bits so I can pay XQC" and then becoming a hot tub stream simp is so much easier than "Mommy give me your credit card so I can create an account on this cam girl site"

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Post by atsjie »

skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

To countercomment:

- Softcore porn (I would not call it porn at all, search online for softcore porn and you get something completely different). You don't have to watch it and I never see it in my feeds, you have to actively search for it to find it. So I'm wondering how you notice it for it to be a problem? Yes; I'm calling you out.

- Ads: youtube has a LOT more ads, and a lot of twitch streamers don't do the ad program. So here too I'm not as convinced it's a problem, I definitely don't see many ads and usually if there are any the streamer is aware and takes a break or something so you don't miss much.

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Post by ipaddr »

ilyt wrote: post #128
ipaddr wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 ads every 1/2 hour? Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

I did for like 15+ years now ? It's terrible medium

The ads can be interesting they tell me about the culture of the local tv channel city. There are many behind the scene messages and things you pick up on. Understanding who is advertising can tell you who the show is written for or why they made certain choices and that can change as a show evolves.

You get cultural references more memorable than the shows they prop up. Where's the beef still rings strong, wwwhat's up is a universal greeting.

Advertising can bring feelings of connectiveness to people. A familiar verizon song at Christmas makes life a little bit less sad for a solider in the battle field or a parent who is spending Christmas alone.

Advertising in many ways is more dynamic, interesting and long lasting compared to the shows they put on. Watching shows without them hollows out the experience.

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Post by atsjie »

ilyt wrote: post #127
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

My main problem is that frankly youtube streaming is technically better, I hoped twitch catches up but I still can't just pause a stream and "catch up" like on YT, watching archive of currently playing channel (say esport event) is also royal PITA. On YT I can tune hour late, then just jump back to match that happened, watch it, skip the intermissions and catch up, on twitch that's much more complicated. > - Softcore…

The comments and community feeling in Youtube streaming sucks. Ludwig who made the switch a year ago from Twitch to Youtube said that was his biggest nuisance with Youtube, and I agree. I stopped watching him because of it since there's more fun to be had on Twitch.

Twitch is more like a bunch of monkeys which is fun and builds hype. Youtube is too serious and the chat is too slow for the streamer to properly interact with.

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Post by salemh »

mrguyorama wrote: post #153
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

Twitch will never stop the softcore porn because it's a huge source of revenue and they DGAF that they are serving softcore porn to teens. Honestly I don't care that teens watch cammers or porn, but it's toxic to the platform to have it share the same site, and that also allows payment to be shared and basically makes it way easier for kids to pay cammers, which is super weird IMO. I also really dislike the encourage…

I wish more in tech would stop pretending pornography is something benign. This isn't the case, though I personally thought the same just a few years ago. There is data, and victims available to see it is not.

Understanding a Context of Risk: Pornography and Child Sexual Abuse https://osf.io/kf4uv/download/?format=pdf One of the most troubling patterns emerging in the research relates to the increasing number of younger children (under the ages of 12-14) involved in perpetrating child sexual assault. Clinical and legal studies are reporting greater numbers of preteen children demonstrating interpersonal problematic sexual behaviors that intrude on the physical space and security of other children (Friedrich et al., 2006; Swisher et al., 2008).

Most relevant to the purpose of this paper is the role of exposure to sexually explicit media as one of the explanatory variables in child sexual abuse. A meta-analysis of 22 studies demonstrates that exposure to pornography, particularly violent pornography, is significantly associated with increased rates of sexual aggression in the general population (Wright et al., 2016). Given that the average age of first exposure to pornography is age 11 (Wolak et al., 2006), it is important to begin to consider what role, if any, pornography may play in child sexual abuse, particular if perpetrated by children. Several studies have included sexually explicit media as a contributing factor for child-perpetrated sexual abuse.

The Association Between Exposure to Violent Pornography and Teen Dating Violence in Grade 10 High School Students https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/ Exposure to pornography in general has been linked with adolescent dating violence and sexual aggression, but less is known about exposure to violent pornography specifically. The current study examined the association of violent pornography exposure with different forms of teen dating violence (TDV) using baseline survey data from a sample of Grade 10 high school students who reported being in a dating relationship in the past year (n = 1694)

A Meta-Analysis of Pornography Consumption and Actual Acts of Sexual Aggression in General Population Studies https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jcom.12201 Is pornography consumption correlated with committing actual acts of sexual aggression? 22 studies from 7 different countries were analyzed. Consumption was associated with sexual aggression in the United States and internationally, among males and females, and in cross-sectional and longitudinal studies. Associations were stronger for verbal than physical sexual aggression, although both were significant. The general pattern of results suggested that violent content may be an exacerbating factor.

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Post by ericd »

teachrdan wrote: post #79
ericd wrote: post #57

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I don't know why you'd say that, for a lot of people, the birth of their first child changes their priorities very fundamentally, especially if they have the luxury of being able to do so. Like, for example, if they had sold their company to Amazon for a literal dump truck of money . I just calculated it, it went for about 11 tons of $100 bills (the capacity of a large dump truck is about 14 tons, apparently, 7 for s…

> for a lot of people, the birth of their first child changes their priorities CEOs are not a lot of people. By definition they are extremely few in number, and those who become CEOs of top companies have a perhaps pathological drive to get there. For someone like that, an entirely predictable event -- like the birth of a child -- is the last thing that would make them sacrifice the position they've worked so hard fo…

If you read the article, or know the story of Justin.tv (one of the very earliest YC startups, from before YC was a big thing), you’ll know that he’s a cofounder, not someone who climbed up the ranks via ruthless political maneuvering to get there.

It’s not the “position” he worked so hard for, it was to build a company. Being CEO is a means to doing that, not the end goal. He did that, it is extremely successful, it will probably continue to be successful without him.

He even says it in the article - that for a long time, he wasn’t sure if he could leave and have it continue to function well. As someone who started, ran, and sold a (much, much smaller) company, I understand that viscerally. If you’re somewhat tired of it, it can feel like you’re trapped. But then you work on that, making sure that the things you do get well covered by someone else. And then, one day, there’s nothing it needs you for anymore, and you’re finally free.

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Post by tmpz22 »

ryandrake wrote: post #144
teachrdan wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for a lot of people, the birth of their first child changes their priorities CEOs are not a lot of people. By definition they are extremely few in number, and those who become CEOs of top companies have a perhaps pathological drive to get there. For someone like that, an entirely predictable event -- like the birth of a child -- is the last thing that would make them sacrifice the position they've worked so hard fo…

I honestly don't understand the mentality that drives someone to keep working after they've made, say, $100 million. Maybe that's why we're all not that person. Even if you're the most single-minded, driven person ever, once you get that much wealth you've pretty much won the game. You did it, you're done. The show's over. It's like continuing to play your Civilization game for "Just... One... More... Turn..." after…

I imagine the work gets less stressful when you have FU money. As a CEO you're delegating a lot of the day to day work, and as a subsidiary of Amazon they're probably giving a lot of the macro direction.

So you get into the office (maybe) at 10am (maybe), reading some emails, firing off some responses, maybe taking a call or two. Then a ritzy lunch for an hour. Coming back to some more emails and meetings.

Some days you will be putting out fires all day. But the more mature the company is the less you have to do that. After 15+ years the company should have a mature executive team that can handle all but the biggest fires by themselves.

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Post by nozzlegear »

runevault wrote: post #137
idconvict wrote: post #107

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They already have a platform-level subscription. It's Twitch Turbo and costs ~$10/month. Removes all ads on the site. I don't think creators get any portion of it like with YouTube Premium though.

I thought they removed turbo for everyone outside Canada, or did they bring it back at some point?

I'm in the US and have been subscribed to Turbo for over a year now, even though I rarely watch Twitch. I just keep my subscription so I don't have to be bothered with ads when I want to turn on a Twitch stream on my Apple TV.
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