It's weird to show screenshot of an editor with white background, most programmers use dark themes right?
I don't.
Me neither. I find white text on black background to be much harder on the eyes.
Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
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Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if you're trying to build for Windows.
No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project. I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS
Don't forget the first-party container runtime. Even Windows has one (or, er, three?). I am mostly responsible for maintaining our local development stack scripts, and Colima (to be clear, a heroic project) and MacOS are a continuous source of problems (full time problems when M1 first launched, down to at least 2-3 issues a month). I was helping a coworker with getting scripts working on Windows/WSL and how much effort was it? Download it and run it - no changes. How much effort was it when I migrated to Ubuntu (hurrah Intune for Linux)? All I had to do was disable Colima in our scripts.
The GP comments throws shade at Windows. Honestly? Probably still a better developer platform than MacOS. Working on MacOS is full of not-work.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#83It looks interesting but, given how Atom was abruptly taken out the back and put out of its misery, are many devs are going to invest the time in going all in on Zed? EDIT: Just had a look inside the app bundle to see if they were using Electron again. Looks like this is built round WebRTC instead. EDIT2: Actually the actual 'zed' binary is just under 284MB, so maybe Zed's not built round the WebRTC framework, but ju…
> Actually the actual 'zed' binary is just under 284MB MicroEmacs for DOS was 50K.
du -hs /Applications/Sublime\ Text.app
42M /Applications/Sublime Text.app
This is about 6x as large, just for the main binary. Which pretty much always means it'll also eat a ton more memory, and probably burn lots of processor cycles while idle for no reason at all, given the way this usually works.
[EDIT] Maybe they're including debug symbols or something? Since it seems to be in beta.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#84Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…
Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules
Yes this is for stuff you upload to their "service" whatever that is. It has nothing to do with the editor itself.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#85I like the remote code editing feature. I would love a solution that lets me write code on my iPad, including running the code locally. If I could run a server at home and connect to it it would be great. Is there anything like that?
You can't run your code locally, but VSCode (but NOT VSCodium sadly) has a set of remote development plugins (ssh, containers, etc) that allow you to edit locally, run on a remote server.
Also see code-server (https://github.com/coder/code-server) for another option.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#86Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…
Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules
Regardless of intent, the way it is written is that the "Service" is what you're agreeing to, and that includes license to run a single instance of the "Application" and the "Tool" on a single device that you own.
It's incompatible with pretty much any activity. It also includes great stuff like:
> you agree to (a) provide true, accurate, current, and complete information about yourself as prompted by the registration form (the “Registration Data”), and (b) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data to keep it true, accurate, current, and complete.
> You agree not to create an Account using a false identity
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#87Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…
Thanks for pointing this out. Our whole terms-of-service is just standard boilerplate provided by our lawyers, but this part doesn't really apply to Zed. Obviously, there's no "content moderation" for project code that you collaborate on with Zed. We'll look into adjusting this to make it clearer that we don't do anything remotely concerning or invasive.
Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#88Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…
Thanks for pointing this out. Our whole terms-of-service is just standard boilerplate provided by our lawyers, but this part doesn't really apply to Zed. Obviously, there's no "content moderation" for project code that you collaborate on with Zed. We'll look into adjusting this to make it clearer that we don't do anything remotely concerning or invasive.
I'm glad to hear you'll be addressing this. To an unsophisticated reader like myself, it sounds like you guys are planning to examine the code I edit in Zed, maybe even keep copies of it. Aside from the general creepiness, many programmers are bound by contract to protect their employer's codebase.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#89No mention of extensibility is a big red flag, and if it isn't open-source it presents the same risk as anyone adopting Atom originally ended up getting burned by.
I felt burned by the loss of Atom. Why is this project going to be different?
They are building a per-user recurring revenue stream along with very strong lock-in features (embedded communications, limited/paid extensions). They won't need lot of traction if they're able to boil the early adopter and enterprise frogs.
Great business model but the editor is designed around it first and foremost.
Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta
#90None of the typical JVM languages supported, sad.