As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…
Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#412As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of it also sounds a bit like leftover angst from Red Hat winning the systemd war too. Turns out hanging out in someone else’s cathedral can have some pretty big benefits.
RedHat has not won any systemd war. From all the distributions out there using systemd, RedHat is the one that uses the least amount of systemd features. They are even going so far as disabling features. See * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962257 * https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/systemd/-/blob/... Sometimes they even backport systemd features from more recent versions, disable them but le…
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#414As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…
You can vendor images. Never have your product depend on something that is in the internet. Spin up Harbour locally and put it in the middle to cache at the very least.
Not to mention vertically integrating the entire Docker layer set defeats the whole point of using Docker in the first place.
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
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Come on, 30 days notice is a walk in the park. Additionally, OP was the one complaining that changing a few URLs and eventually spinning up a new server. It's quite literally a one day or two job, unless you're at a company the size of Amazon (in which case, luckily for you, you're not the only SRE, so it's still just a few days). > The best I can come up with, at the moment, is waiting for each organization to make…
> Come on, 30 days notice is a walk in the park Sure, maybe in a small business or startup, and even then I'd content not quite as easy as all that. When you're dealing with anything larger, say involving multiple teams, organisations, and priorities, 30 days is an insanely short shrift to look at figuring out what your actual route forwards is (and if you're provisioning something new, making sure you're allowed to…
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
> escrowing Are you sure this is what you mean? Escrow is a type of contactual arrangement, one type of which is agreeing with a commercial partner that you get a copy of their source-code if they go broke. I feel like you mean vendoring.
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“Put that idea in escrow”—I assume I have to write it down first? “Put our incrementing page view count in escrow”—uh...? “Put my time in escrow”—how on earth am I going to get it back?
Similarly “escrowing your software dependencies”, hard to interpret if I didn't know the context. Whereas “vendoring” is similarly opaque but immediately recognizable as jargon and has made it into tools (`go mod vendor` and `deno vendor` for example).
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
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"don't expect" or "for certain"? Can't really plan ahead without some kind of certainty.
There is no real distinction between those two phrases here, because the person using those phrases isn't ultimately in control.
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
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Based on what? How is that more likely than just them being able to finally generate revenue, considering they started focusing on that a few years ago? I don't get your comment at all
Based on observation of other companies. Fluffing your earnings isn't rare for private companies looking for investors.
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#419My first thought on this was good riddance. The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well. However it looks like the main effect is going to be moving more of open source onto GitHub, aka under Microsoft's control, and the level of faith people have in Microsoft not destroying their competitor for profit is surreal.
>The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well. This was my first thought when I learned of Docker. I have a hard time calling myself an 'Engineer' when there are so many unknowns, that I'm merely playing around until something works. I insist on being called a Programmer. It pays better than 'real' engineering. Why not embrace it? (Credit toward safety crit…
I noted to someone that this felt less like a product and more like a website and set of scripts ripped from a working system. A few of us were shipped up to the originating university for a week to hob-knob with the people in charge of it. Toward the end, during the ritual inebriation phase, I managed to find out that they had never actually attempted to install it on a clean system. This had truly been ripped from a working system. And I thought to myself, "How horrible."
Now, I am admittedly pants at Linux. No good at all. But there is something about Docker and similar technologies that says, "Yes, we threw our hands in the air and stopped trying to make a decent installation system."
Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know
#420As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…