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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

Travis was acquired a few years ago and things went downhill from there on.

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My first thought on this was good riddance. The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well.

However it looks like the main effect is going to be moving more of open source onto GitHub, aka under Microsoft's control, and the level of faith people have in Microsoft not destroying their competitor for profit is surreal.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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The only real moat they seem to have here is that "FROM" in a Dockerfile, "image:" in a docker-compose.yml file, and the docker command line default "somestring" as an image to "hub.docker.com:somestring".

They pushed that with the aggressive rate limiting first though, which caused a lot of people to now understand that paragraph above and use proxies, specify a different "hub", etc.

So this move, to me, has less leverage than they might have intended, since the previous move already educated people on how to work around docker hub.

At some point, they force everyone's hand and lose their moat.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

#54

Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

It wasn't a good business to be in anyway. I don't think any of these freebie devops businesses are all that smart. They're not a "business", they're a feature of someone else's business. And as soon as they catch up then you're done.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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post #38

> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

It actually sounds reasonable to me? They have an open source program, the article says its open source definition is "too strict" because it says you must have "no pathway to commercialization". I mean why should you expect someone to host gigabytes of docker images for you, for free?

If you're going to call it "open source" that should mean what "open source" usually means, i.e. that e.g. RedHat is eligible.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. Instead it has a multi-million dollar company behind it, and VC's who demand profits from a thing that shouldn't have ever had a business plan.

I think they potentially could have made a decent business out of it but they made a lot of bad business decisions.

I find myself shaking my head at a lot of their technical decisions too.

Podman seems to me to be a case study for how to do this right.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker have a responsibility to _their_ customers, not just OpenFaas and other open source projects. _Docker's_ customers rely on them to provide a safe and reliable service. If Docker allows these projects to be taken over by nefarious actors, then the risk falls to _their_ customers, not the Open Source projects that they've broken with.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are techniques to compress and dedup redundancies... I doubt it is real 100gbs on their disks...

Even so...storage is not free. Looking at the rates of enterprise storage costs compared to what Google or Apple charges consumers - I was surprised by how subsidized people's photo libraries are.

oh that's completely different. They want you to host your photos with them because then you can never leave their platform.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

#59

My first thought on this was good riddance. The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well. However it looks like the main effect is going to be moving more of open source onto GitHub, aka under Microsoft's control, and the level of faith people have in Microsoft not destroying their competitor for profit is surreal.

> The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well.

Docker, the company, is failing. Docker, as in containerization technology, is alive and very well.

(edited for clarity)

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

#60

Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

> worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed.

And Nix is worlds better than even this. Imagine!

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