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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by Scaless »

danwee wrote: post #22

Noob question: if I rent one of these dedicated servers, what happens if some hardware fails? Do I need to contact support or will they detect that automatically? If something needs to be fixed manually (e.g., hard drive, cpu, network), how long does one need to wait for dedicated servers? I'm used to cloud VMs where if one dies, I can quickly spin up another one effortlessly (I never have to contact support or anyth…

In my experience support will gaslight you into thinking it is your problem. I had a Hetzner server that was shutting off at random hours several times per week.

I showed them the sudden loss of power events in the logs. "It must be a problem with your OS modifications that we don't support".

OK, I wiped the machine to the stock image that you provide and it's still having power loss events. "Sure, we'll run a stress test for a couple minutes ... stress test passed OK, it's still your fault!".

The events happen randomly during the week, a stress test is not going to show that. Can you just move me to a different physical machine? "No."

This was over the course of several days, when I had an event coming up that I NEEDED the server for. I ended up going back to Azure and paying 10x the cost, but at least it worked great.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by ygouzerh »

throwaway77384 wrote: post #110

Does anyone know of a managed postgres service that happens to use Hetzner? I'm running my own PG instances on Hetzner, but getting tired of managing it myself. Going with a 3rd party makes me worried about latency (currently it's like 1-4ms...I'd rather not increase that to 50ms for a service located somewhere else). Haven't found anything by Googling, so was wondering if anyone here works somewhere that does this.

Just an idea like that : deploying a quick k3s/k3d with a PostgreSQL operator like CloudNativePG might help you to take away some of the maintenance overload.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by nunodonato »

jbverschoor wrote: post #91
jhoelzel wrote: post #37

I have been working in the industry since 20 years and i have not a single bad word to loose about Hetzner. Their Service has always been impeccable and their servers just run. I have been running k8s clusters on hetzner for quite some time now and the flexibility for the price is exactly what i expect from a hoster! Now with this addition Hetzner closes another gap that made projects spends thousands more on enterpr…

They had some problems about 10-15 years ago (hardware, network). The fire some time ago wasn’t cool either

I heard it was pretty hot (sorry, couldn't resist)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by arp242 »

unxdfa wrote: post #163
arp242 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My static IP was erroneously blocked from Wikipedia as some previous owner used it to run open proxies or the like. Never had any problems anywhere else. It happens.

"It happens" is a bad defence.

It's not a defence, it's just reality. Abuse is real. Using IP addresses to combat abuse is very broken – I too had carrier-grade NAT when I lived in a developing country in the past – but it does work. Abuse prevention is hard, but very much required. Abuse prevention with zero false positives is nearly impossible with the current state of technology. So yes, "it happens" because all of this is hard. You can pretend the problem doesn't exist, but that's denying reality.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by epolanski »

outime wrote: post #164
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

> Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone.

Hmm, anything that doesn't have insanely huge traffic and requirements does, and in those cases the major cloud vendors are still cheap and easy enough for those use cases.

Hetzner seems to fit the "not big enough to get major discounts and support but large enough to have considerable cloud bills" customer and that is fine.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by bflesch »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #167
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

Hetzner is not on the level of the any you mentioned. It's dirt cheap because latencies and protections against exploits are non-existent, sure it serves good when you don't have such needs but the moment you need any (i.e. DDoS protection and low/stable ms for game servers) - hetzner is out of the window. - Someone that used to fry lil hetzner servers for fun

Interesting. can you maybe tell us some anecdotes?

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by Jnr »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #165
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

I agree with your judgement on OVH and the top tier cloud providers. I've never used Hetzner but I've had good experieces with UpCloud, Vultr and Linode/Akamai. These three providers are my defacto goto everytime I need to deploy stuff...

I have been using Kimsufi servers (OVH cheap end) for more than 10 years and have not experienced any major outages (and can't remember even small ones). I still have one dedicated server there. 14eur/mo for i5 750, 16gb ram and 2tb hdd seems quite good to me.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by viraptor »

byefruit wrote: post #99
glogla wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for comparison, for that kind of money per month AWS will rent you about 2 cores / 4 threads of AMD with 16 GB of RAM.

That's just the compute though, not including bandwidth or disks. These come with effectively the equivalent of ~$3k worth of AWS data transfer and vastly more SSD storage.

> just the compute though, not including bandwidth or disks

But including a platform for access configuration, monitoring, deployment, automatic replacement, and many other things. AWS as a whole is not really comparable to getting servers from hetzner. (Unless that's all you want from them, but then you're overpaying for lots of stuff you don't use)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by lloydatkinson »

adql wrote: post #124
jonatron wrote: post #80

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I heard the devops guys at a previous job wrote a script to detect CPU fan failures. Then got asked to stop sending so many emails about CPU fan failures. Was still worth it because it's cheap, but they're cheap because it's not new and reliable hardware.

Maybe he detected 0 RPM without looking at temperature.... some controllers will just stop fans when there is enough cooling. We had a bunch of racks and fan failures gotta be one of rarest one. Even on my personal junk I had zero actual failures , just one getting noisy > Was still worth it because it's cheap, but they're cheap because it's not new and reliable hardware. Not really different than cloud, they aren't…

Are controllers that throttle down to zero common in the data centre space though? I don't think I've ever heard a quiet or silent server, except for the ones tech people make themselves at home.
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