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Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by hastur »

toyg wrote: post #26
hastur wrote: post #23

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There are no outbreaks in other EU countries, because the media don't write/talk about ACTA. So the societies are completely ignorant about ACTA's existence. In Poland, some mainstream media had the balls to talk about ACTA, which coincided with high-profile "hacking" attacks on govt websites. This lead to a sudden spread of public awareness. And when the kids heard that free downloading of mp3s, movies and porn is t…

The start of the negotiation process was formally acknowledged in various diplomatic venues, as it usually is for these treaties: for such large negotiations the bureaucracy is huge (the days of Molotov-Ribbentropp are long gone), so people knew something was going to happen. Then negotiators tried hard to keep any interested NGO and independent parties from getting access; inevitably, their interest was piqued even…

Yeah, but who hears Cory Doctorow, when he writes on his blog, which is read only by geeks.

The problem is breaking through to the wider public, to the mainstream media. We managed to do that in Poland.

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by rickmb »

hastur wrote: post #27
skrebbel wrote: post #24

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Well, for instance in the Netherlands, we have a lobby organisation called Bits of Freedom, who are basically an EFF but less Linuxy. They are usually rather capable of causing a somewhat decent ruckus when nasty stuff happens, and they usually quickly get the support of at least the liberals and the far-right-conservatives (who are pretty consistently in favour of free and open internet though nobody understands why…

Obviously, Bits Of Freedom didn't bother to do much about ACTA.

A digital civil rights movement that prefers secretive backroom politics over public activism is not exactly the right organisation to protest secretive backroom politics...

This is typical for BoF. "They" decide what's important, behind closed doors. They are no different from ruling political class, which is both their strength (when it comes to lobbying) and their weakness (when it comes to representing the people who's rights they claim to stand up for).

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by handelaar »

skrebbel wrote: post #20
rickmb wrote: post #14

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National parliament ratification is also not a mere formality. The EU cannot afford to be divided at this moment, or have the mood in member states turned against it even more. Ironically, rejection by the EU parliament would save the EU a lot of internal headaches. Which is why you could very well see members of parties that support ACTA on the national level reject it in the EU parliament. Political games: they can…

I really hope you're right about all this. Still wondering why there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland. Maybe because we all, like me, just sit and wonder?

> there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland.

Greetings from Ireland, where we've spent the whole week kicking the government's arse over a nasty bit of Record-Company-Felching, and a Dáil debate was just forced onto the agenda not 15 minutes ago during an emergency discussion.

http://stopsopaireland.com

Oh, and I note that the largest consumer-facing site in the country just did this: http://boards.ie

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by AhtiK »

Is ACTA potentially affecting desktop applications that are storing encrypted information to the cloud using private-public keypair? Private key would be available only locally.

From ACTA it's not clear for me if desktop app provider should start storing the keypairs in case a law enforcement asks for the access to the data.

Any ideas?

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by ergo14 »

tripzilch wrote: post #12
hastur wrote: post #6

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Yeah, ACTA really exploded in the public awareness in Poland in the past week. You can read more about it here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3502200 And here's some more footage from the protests: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3511980

Wow, "funny" how we heard nothing about this in NL.

Actually your country did NOT sign it yet - hopefully they wont ?

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by nfg »

handelaar wrote: post #36
skrebbel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope you're right about all this. Still wondering why there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland. Maybe because we all, like me, just sit and wonder?

> there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland. Greetings from Ireland, where we've spent the whole week kicking the government's arse over a nasty bit of Record-Company-Felching, and a Dáil debate was just forced onto the agenda not 15 minutes ago during an emergency discussion. http://stopsopaireland.com Oh, and I note that the largest consumer-facing site in the country just did this: http://boards.…

As a matter of interest what have boards done? I'm abroad on a mobile and it's displaying as normal for me?

Re: ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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Post by Macha »

nfg wrote: post #39
handelaar wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland. Greetings from Ireland, where we've spent the whole week kicking the government's arse over a nasty bit of Record-Company-Felching, and a Dáil debate was just forced onto the agenda not 15 minutes ago during an emergency discussion. http://stopsopaireland.com Oh, and I note that the largest consumer-facing site in the country just did this: http://boards.…

As a matter of interest what have boards done? I'm abroad on a mobile and it's displaying as normal for me?

It displays the same message that is in this thread as an overlay, blocking out the home page: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056530490
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