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ACTA is being signed right now in the EU

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BBC News - Thousands march in Poland over Acta internet treaty http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16735219

Yeah, ACTA really exploded in the public awareness in Poland in the past week. You can read more about it here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3502200 And here's some more footage from the protests: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3511980

thanks for all the news!

„Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki.”

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BBC News - Thousands march in Poland over Acta internet treaty http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16735219

Yeah, ACTA really exploded in the public awareness in Poland in the past week. You can read more about it here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3502200 And here's some more footage from the protests: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3511980

Wow, "funny" how we heard nothing about this in NL.

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The headline is misleading. There are still several national parliaments that need to ratify this (there appears to be a majority against in the Netherlands at the moment), and it has to go through the EU parliament. The EU parliament is notoriously allergic to these kind of secret backroom shenanigans and corporate manipulations and is eager to prove its democratic value. This is an excellent opportunity to flex the…

The title is not exactly misleading. ACTA is first signed by the executive branches (foreign ministers or ambassadors), and this is what happened today in Tokyo for most EU nations.

Then ACTA will be ratified by the EU Parliament (i.e. the legislative branch).

Then ACTA will be ratified by national Parliaments. (Where necessary - most likely in all EU countries. A little different story in U.S., where Obama can just put it into law by executive order, because treaties that don't change U.S. law don't need to be ratified by Congress.)

The ratification in EU Parliament is what really counts, because 80-90% of ACTA text applies to EU law, and only a fraction applies to national law. (The latter primarily with regards to criminal prosecutions, which obviously are strictly national jurisdiction.)

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The headline is misleading. There are still several national parliaments that need to ratify this (there appears to be a majority against in the Netherlands at the moment), and it has to go through the EU parliament. The EU parliament is notoriously allergic to these kind of secret backroom shenanigans and corporate manipulations and is eager to prove its democratic value. This is an excellent opportunity to flex the…

The title is not exactly misleading. ACTA is first signed by the executive branches (foreign ministers or ambassadors), and this is what happened today in Tokyo for most EU nations. Then ACTA will be ratified by the EU Parliament (i.e. the legislative branch). Then ACTA will be ratified by national Parliaments. (Where necessary - most likely in all EU countries. A little different story in U.S., where Obama can just…

National parliament ratification is also not a mere formality. The EU cannot afford to be divided at this moment, or have the mood in member states turned against it even more.

Ironically, rejection by the EU parliament would save the EU a lot of internal headaches. Which is why you could very well see members of parties that support ACTA on the national level reject it in the EU parliament.

Political games: they can tell the US and their copyright mafia friends they've signed it, and the rejection by EU parliament was out of their control...

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They way ACTA was planned shuld not be possible for any democratic nation. This clearly shows that we have to evlolve you democratic systems.

Nice related trivia: If the EU would apply to become an EU member state, it would be rejected because it's not democratic enough.

Yes, that's a problem and yes, it'll take decades to fix.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title is not exactly misleading. ACTA is first signed by the executive branches (foreign ministers or ambassadors), and this is what happened today in Tokyo for most EU nations. Then ACTA will be ratified by the EU Parliament (i.e. the legislative branch). Then ACTA will be ratified by national Parliaments. (Where necessary - most likely in all EU countries. A little different story in U.S., where Obama can just…

National parliament ratification is also not a mere formality. The EU cannot afford to be divided at this moment, or have the mood in member states turned against it even more. Ironically, rejection by the EU parliament would save the EU a lot of internal headaches. Which is why you could very well see members of parties that support ACTA on the national level reject it in the EU parliament. Political games: they can…

I really hope you're right about all this. Still wondering why there's no SOPA-style outbreak in any EU country but Poland. Maybe because we all, like me, just sit and wonder?
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