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All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by dfawcus »

switch007 wrote: post #75
dfawcus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges fo…

You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas) But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though. They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing throug…

"What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester?"

No - Simply that they're supposed to fulfill the entry requirements for non British or Irish folks, or risk arrest, prosecution, and being deported. That happened to some folks from Peru (I believe), who traveled to GB via Ireland, NI, then ferry to Scotland.

Simply the CTA is misnamed, it is not a "travel area", that is simply an effect arising out of the reciprocal rights of British and Irish citizens in the other state.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by CaptainZapp »

htag wrote: post #41
akmarinov wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing different than what the US has at the moment and they’re ok

Many types of visitors do not need an ETA when traveling to the US. Specifically the Visa Waiver Program (covers ~50 countries) does not require travel plans nor do most visits from Canadians. This is different because it applies to all visitors. I am under the impression some types of Visas allow reentry without declaring ETA ahead of times, but I am unsure.

That's not true.

Travellers from visa waiver countries explicitly need an ETA. All others need, well, a visa.

Possibly Canada is different.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by CaptainZapp »

Just hope that the Homeoffice doesn't screw the scheme up like they botched passport renewals last year[0].

Given their current leadership, however, that's almost guaranteed to happen.

3 Days turnaround time is a joke in itself. When I electronically applied for an Australian visa I had it 40 minutes later. And that was a "real visa". Not just a travel permit.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/09/uk-passport-...

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by refurb »

metadat wrote: post #9

Is this a thinly veiled cash grab? Otherwise, what actual problem does this solve?

It’s basically “visa light”. You pay a small amount and an automated background check happens.

If you fail that you go through the full visa process.

It’s basically pre-screening before you even show up at the border.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by midoridensha »

chkaloon wrote: post #54

'The U.K. has previously said that under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country." What? They can't track who comes and goes just by recording at the border now? We have computers and databases, right?

Unless they have cameras at all the border roads between Northern Ireland and Ireland, there's no way to really know how many people are coming and going there.

Of course, if they're not sure exactly how many people are coming into the island of Great Britain, then that's plain incompetence.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by xg15 »

dfawcus wrote: post #70
xg15 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argh. Note to self, read articles more carefully. Thanks for the heads up :) That being said, politicians seem to shy away from putting anything resembling a checkpoint on that border in fear of reigniting the conflict. But that would be necessary, if only to check residency status and validate the ETA for non-Irish EU citizens. Once there is a checkpoint, political pressure will rise to also use it for EU goods chec…

Domestic flights within the UK (e.g. London / Edinburgh) require positive ID checks, since around 1995 or so. So nothing changes regarding flights from NI to GB. There are usually few checks on the ferries, but one is advised to carry proof of citizenship, as one can be asked to prove that one is entitled to use the CTA. Separately, it was recently announced that third country nationals traveling from Ireland to NI w…

> Separately, it was recently announced that third country nationals traveling from Ireland to NI would not require prior authorisations. i.e. the UK will not police travel across the intra-Ireland brder.

Ah ok. Glad to hear they are being sensible here.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by Nextgrid »

hinata08 wrote: post #78
Nextgrid wrote: post #51

I'm not sure why they are so worried about illegal immigration when their plan to turn the country into a third-world dump not worth even legally immigrating to is working so well. A significant chunk of the population is in "fuel poverty", critical infrastructure such as their beloved NHS has collapsed and there are shortages of certain produce blamed on weather conditions yet no other nearby country is experiencing…

>yet no other nearby country is experiencing it. that's usually what they say to expedite the process of turning the country into a "third-world dump" Have you learned about the notion of Race to the bottom ? If UK people would learn foreign languages instead of the newspeak that is modern English, they would be able to read foreign news.

I am French so I know pretty well what's happening at least in one major European country. It's got its issues for sure (including very recent strikes) and it's definitely been hit by inflation and the energy crisis, but is nowhere near as bad as what's happening in the UK. Critical infrastructure isn't (yet?) collapsing there.

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Post by chkaloon »

midoridensha wrote: post #85
chkaloon wrote: post #54

'The U.K. has previously said that under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country." What? They can't track who comes and goes just by recording at the border now? We have computers and databases, right?

Unless they have cameras at all the border roads between Northern Ireland and Ireland, there's no way to really know how many people are coming and going there. Of course, if they're not sure exactly how many people are coming into the island of Great Britain, then that's plain incompetence.

The ETA doesn't fix the walking across the border problem.

Re: All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

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Post by dogma1138 »

toxicFork wrote: post #73
dogma1138 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally very easy, technically not so much. The EU requires you to attend a meeting to submit biometric data when you initially register.

That sounds like a bureaucratic issue and not a technical issue.

It very much so sounds like a technical issue.
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