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Technically very easy. Legally? I dunno, maybe?
I have no finger prints, worn away, I am far from unique. So, technically, I don't imagine it being that easy?
Then you could encounter a "computer says no" situation
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically very easy. Legally? I dunno, maybe?
Easy how? AFAIK there's no API to read the biometric data from the secure enclave. The secure enclave will only validate if what the fingerprint sensor reads matches what it has stored internally for authentication.
The device can do it, but someone needs to be told to change some of the software or hardware.
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#74All the outrage here is pretty weird considering the USA, Canada and the EU all have policies like this already
That’s not true. The EU and Canada do not have a similar policy for US passport holders, you can travel without having to file anything in advance.
See https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#ma...
Note "Nationals of any of these visa-exempt countries need to apply for an ETIAS travel authorisation." You will notice the flag of the USA, and if you follow the link, see it listed in ANNEX II (1.B)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...
I've not looked at the recent rules for entry to Canada.
The point is that to date, the EU has had issues in bringing the ETIAS scheme in to operation. It was supposed to be operating now, but looks like it is delayed until 2024.
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#75> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. This is contrary to eg BBC reporting which says that Irish /residents/ departing from Ireland also won’t need an ETA Edit: which makes sense, because you often arrive as a domestic passenger when arriving from Ireland, with no passport checks (except for a…
The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges fo…
You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas)
But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though.
They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing through border control.
Also, if they were in a certain visa situation in the UK (eg spouse visa renewal) where leaving the UK would automatically revoke their UK visa application, AIUI, they can still travel to CTA without having their application revoked.
What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester? At MAN they bus you to domestic and boom you’re in the UK. They have no choice.
Edit: It’s clear there are provisions in place for the direct benefit of Irish and UK citizens, but due to practicalities etc that others get fringe benefits too.
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From the article: The government says the ETA scheme will strengthen border security...[clip]...under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country.
I'm confused how they don't have the accurate numbers. To enter the UK you need to go through Border Patrol, either via a automated gate (where they can count you) or via a person at a booth (where they can count you). If you can't get accurate numbers from that, how would an online form change that?
> To enter the UK you need to go through Border Patrol
Not in every case. Eg arrivals from Ireland.
Also I think it’s been politically motivated to hide behind the lie of it being difficult or impossible to count the number of immigrants in the country. Various people/groups believe the UK population is vastly underreported
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#78I'm not sure why they are so worried about illegal immigration when their plan to turn the country into a third-world dump not worth even legally immigrating to is working so well. A significant chunk of the population is in "fuel poverty", critical infrastructure such as their beloved NHS has collapsed and there are shortages of certain produce blamed on weather conditions yet no other nearby country is experiencing…
>yet no other nearby country is experiencing it.
that's usually what they say to expedite the process of turning the country into a "third-world dump"
Have you learned about the notion of Race to the bottom ?
If UK people would learn foreign languages instead of the newspeak that is modern English, they would be able to read foreign news.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s not true. The EU and Canada do not have a similar policy for US passport holders, you can travel without having to file anything in advance.
See https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#ma... Note "Nationals of any of these visa-exempt countries need to apply for an ETIAS travel authorisation." You will notice the flag of the USA, and if you follow the link, see it listed in ANNEX II (1.B) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... I've not looked at the recent rules for entry to Canada. The point is that to date, the…
Thanks I wasn’t aware this was coming for EU travel, maybe understandable but that’s a shame, the influence of the US security obsession spreading to other countries.
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#80How do I prove I am a British citizen if I don't have a Brit passport?