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Re: Microsoft Designer

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I have to agree and to be honest, I was having an objective go of Mid Journey today, honestly, I think it's kind of underwhelming. I know I'm not supposed to say that but it was mixed feelings for me, kind of amazing, but also a lot of regurgitation. The model seems to have it's own style it has trouble escaping for a lot of the images requested. I mean it's amazing that image can be generated from text but honestly,…

I went through the same exercise recently, and came to a different conclusion. I’m blown away, and I can see how this is the future, and it’s a good thing. While I agree the current state of affairs isn’t great, we have to look past today to where things are going. As far as I can tell tools like Midjourney do enable an iterative creative process. It’s more like painting with a pinball machine than directly with brus…

You're conflating the two concepts sorry, there is using new technologies to make art, I totally see the merit and value in this. Then there is making money from other peoples work, making a knock off machine.

A service exists which allows people to rip off other artists work and pass it off as their own and hide that fact in the fact it's "generated".

Some artists styles are so prolific, so great that if you're just lazily having ChatGPT generate that for you then using it for commercial gain, or not crediting them, that's theft in my view.

I'm not talking about new technologies that enable new types of art, I'm talking about a platform that enables mass scale rips offs.

I'd feel completely different about it if artists were able to lend their art works to the training model voluntarily for training and even receive some royalties overtime. In fact, I think that's a pretty cool business idea.

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I feel a deep sadness, a sympathy, or sense of loss for the countless artists who have toiled to produce beautiful works over the decades (centuries?), just for them to be approximated by a single click as a vector mashup in an AI generative search space. And without so much as a by your leave. I'm not saying it's logical to be against AI image generation, but definitely have a feeling that something has gone wrong h…

I don't think anything has gone wrong. Progress is ruthless and doesn't care whether you've spent your whole life on mastering some skill - if you can be replaced by something better, eventually you will be. It's still kind of sad for the people who are affected though (when/if they are affected? kind of hasn't happened yet).

"Progress is ruthless and doesn't care whether you've spent your whole life on mastering some skill"

Progress isn't ruthless. People are ruthless. People make these decisions, weighing the profits against the ethical concerns and potential impact on society. It's not some platonic form pulling the trigger.

I could argue that cloning myself and forcing myselves into indentured servitude to build my space kingdom on Mars is "progress" but perhaps that is more technological progress than societal progress and therefore undesirable.

As far as being replaced, we'll all be replaced at some point so what's the end game look like? Is it "progress" for humanity or AI? Are we just manufacturing our own obsolescence?

Re: Microsoft Designer

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The current design ideas in MS products are terrible so I doubt how much AI can help that. I AM curious to see how design tools evolve to work with all this new AI tech being integrated. I wonder how long is left before pixel pushing is just for final polish and a designer's role shifts to focus on properly explaining the nuance of a problem to a chatbot. Soon we'll all be Celery Man ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

Dall-E, could you add a hat wobble to that?

.... And a Flarhgunnstow?

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> I can only assume that the same arguments and complaints were raised at every stage a new technology was introduced that lowered the cost and time to produce "content". Which of those technologies were based on billions of copyright violations? And of course this copyright still exists but is only enforced in one direction, just like on YouTube where random corporations can claim copyright on any video and hurt the…

What's the infringement? You can't copyright style, no? If artists can look at each others copyright-in-full-force works and then imitate it, why can't AI? Corporations having too much power is different from technology encroaching on previously uniquely human faculties. Of course both are phenomena that ought to be addressed by society. At which point we see that it's a political problem, and of course politics is b…

Since 2015-ish in the US style is actually copyrighted

https://rpjlaw.com/blurred-lines-copying-songs-musical-style...

Re: Microsoft Designer

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I feel a deep sadness, a sympathy, or sense of loss for the countless artists who have toiled to produce beautiful works over the decades (centuries?), just for them to be approximated by a single click as a vector mashup in an AI generative search space. And without so much as a by your leave. I'm not saying it's logical to be against AI image generation, but definitely have a feeling that something has gone wrong h…

By way of OpenAI, Microsoft is attempting the biggest triple-E bait-and-switch in its history—this time not against open-source developers but anyone who was silly enough to share creative work in the open.

Worst of all, the majority here seems to be hailing them for this.

My take as to what exactly has gone wrong here is that it’s loss of attribution. I think this is quite intentional: given relevant metadata, the network could obviously be instrumented to reflect and credit the artists whose works contributed to the final derivative in excess of some threshold. However, Microsoft would rather the public thought it is impossible—since otherwise they’d be on the hook to pay those artists-turned-unwilling-ghost-content-creators on whose work they are now capitalizing.

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This seems completely irrelevant. Photo cameras don't instristically rely on painters having existed and continuing to exist to do their thing.

Counter example: Cameras often do rely on other professions to have existed to do their thing. e.g. Architects who built city buildings, fashion designers who designed clothes, and engineers who built cars. They don’t get paid every time their work gets put on Instagram, etc.

I don't know how it is in other countries but in general in France you cannot just take a picture of a building and put it on Instagram without asking the architect for rights :

> the image of a building cannot be reproduced without the authorization of the architect who holds the copyright or of his successors in title. Otherwise, the reproduction of a protected work without the authorization of its author constitutes, according to the provisions of the article L122-4 of the Code of the intellectual property an act of counterfeit.

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