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Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by capableweb »

filleokus wrote: post #64

At first I thought this was a Figma-like tool. I wonder if Microsoft could compete in that space, or is the UI/UX community to opinionated and outspoken to stop the classic enterprise argument? "We're already paying $$$ to MS and we'll get a big discount / bundle deal for [MS alternative], we can't justify the cost for [better non-MS alternative]"

It is not a Figma alternative. Figma is a tool for designers to design. Microsoft Designer seems to be a tool for non-designers to attempt design, with the help of AI. Very different audiences, and trying out the tool, everything about the UI/UX makes that very clear, Microsoft Designer is more like a wizard for creating a initial design, while Figma is a proper tool.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Mick-Jogger wrote: post #79

Did anybody else face the issue that they got a mail from Microsoft asking them to "Try Designer" however once you try to login with your account it mentions: This account doesn't exist. I am not sure what Designer is and I wanted to check if it was a Figma/Adobe XD competitor.

I did get the email too, but didn't have the issue.

From another comment of mine:

> It is not a Figma alternative. Figma is a tool for designers to design. Microsoft Designer seems to be a tool for non-designers to attempt design, with the help of AI. Very different audiences, and trying out the tool, everything about the UI/UX makes that very clear, Microsoft Designer is more like a wizard for creating a initial design, while Figma is a proper tool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35067676

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by capableweb »

figassis wrote: post #53

This looks like Microsoft seizing the opportunity to build out a proper G-Suite competitor, basically an ecosystem with all tools built in.

What tool does Google have, that Microsoft Designer is trying to compete against? Closest I can imagine is the Google Photos editor, but it's not the same scope/audience at all...

Re: Microsoft Designer

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smileybarry wrote: post #115
smcl wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft also seem keen to deprecate two other simple Windows applications - Paint (being replaced with "Paint 3D") and Snipping Tool (to be replaced with "Snip & Sketch"). I don't understand it, it feels like they've started with the question "ok what if we replaced $tool?" rather than "what does $tool need to do?"

Paint 3D itself was deprecated later and Paint was un-deprecated, it's just updated by the store now. (It even has a Windows 11 redesign!) Snipping Tool was deprecated, but everything at this point was ported over to the (arguably better) "new" Snipping Tool, and it just got screen(/area) recording too.

It's funny that there is a use for the word "un-deprecated" but that's good news!

Now that I think about it I guess I'm glad that they didn't remove or replace the original tools - I could still use them.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by jstx1 »

hiisukun wrote: post #48

I feel a deep sadness, a sympathy, or sense of loss for the countless artists who have toiled to produce beautiful works over the decades (centuries?), just for them to be approximated by a single click as a vector mashup in an AI generative search space. And without so much as a by your leave. I'm not saying it's logical to be against AI image generation, but definitely have a feeling that something has gone wrong h…

I don't think anything has gone wrong. Progress is ruthless and doesn't care whether you've spent your whole life on mastering some skill - if you can be replaced by something better, eventually you will be.

It's still kind of sad for the people who are affected though (when/if they are affected? kind of hasn't happened yet).

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by toyg »

imgabe wrote: post #119
hiisukun wrote: post #48

I feel a deep sadness, a sympathy, or sense of loss for the countless artists who have toiled to produce beautiful works over the decades (centuries?), just for them to be approximated by a single click as a vector mashup in an AI generative search space. And without so much as a by your leave. I'm not saying it's logical to be against AI image generation, but definitely have a feeling that something has gone wrong h…

Art, in terms of creating a beautiful rendition of some part of the real world or even a fantastical but recognizable scene has not been a big part of the mainstream capital-A Art market for over a hundred years. Nobody cares if you can paint really well or whatever. Art schools churn out thousands of people a year who can do that. Artworks since at least Duchamp have been more about some abstract concept rather than…

> Artworks since at least Duchamp have been more about some abstract concept

Or rather how you can sell some abstract concept to the paying public. The level of bullshittery in the arts is beyond the scale.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by k_ »

alex_suzuki wrote: post #85
hit8run wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same. Especially this shitty company that has proved over decades now that they are up to no good.

Post-Ballmer Microsoft is not so bad.

It's still bad enough imo when it comes to respecting copyright / intellectual property, so not a surprise at all they're doing this to illustrators now :/ Not that they're the only ones doing it these days, admittedly.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by capableweb »

Barrin92 wrote: post #105
SideQuark wrote: post #99

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The same argument was made when player pianos came out, when records came out, when radio came out, when photography came out, when TV came out, yet there are likely more performers in every one of these categories than ever. Making content production and duplication cheaper enables more people to consume it, requiring more of it, and more people end up working on the new systems. I suspect these tools will be no dif…

Art isn't a quantitative but qualitative activity. Just consuming more media cheaply is hardly a good thing. If anything we already waste too much time on forgettable, generic media as passive consumers at the expense of health or social life. Wall-E wasn't supposed to be a utopia, and being trapped for 15 hours per day in Zuckerbergs AI Metaverse is not the kind of 'content' we ought to be looking forward to, even i…

> Wall-E wasn't supposed to be a utopia, and being trapped for 15 hours per day in Zuckerbergs AI Metaverse is not the kind of 'content' we ought to be looking forward to, even if it costs zero dollars.

It doesn't really matter what you, me or the public thinks. If you set up a system that constantly forces people to optimize for lowest cost and highest profits without concern for other things, you eventually will end up with a race to the bottom, where content does cost zero monies.

And that's the system most of us live in today. There is seemingly nothing else to do about than to join the rat race, otherwise you get left behind and on the streets. You can try to fight it, but eventually capitalism will overrun you, either by force and sneakily. It eats everything around you.

Capitalism and globalism was supposed to be the system that forced everyone to be friends via trade, because why would you hurt your trading partner? Instead we got what we have today, which might be less violent, but maybe the same amount of cruel.

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