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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by cypherg »

freefaler wrote: post #192

I see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much. I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall. There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow Hoever, there is 1 very good featur…

mate, on-prem is dead. it's not just atlassian, it's most software that can be run as saas. when people run on-prem they get hacked, for failing to patch or doing something equally ignorant, which ironically makes atlassian look bad. plus they would have to maintain 2 versions of the software, the saas version and the on-prem. just not worth it. better in invest in making their cloud better (get FedRAMP, etc)

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by umeshunni »

haskellandchill wrote: post #188
metaphor wrote: post #109

Probably not a good image that Scott[1] and Mike[2] (via their respective trusts) have been quite busy liquidating 1,076,750 shares each into the public at a rate of 8,614 shares per trading day since the beginning of October last year...all the while laying off 5% of their workforce. Something about leaders eating last comes to mind... [1] https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666121 [2] https://www.sec.gov/edga…

a chunk of our executive team is resigning, that's how it should be done

which chunk? source?

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by llamaLord »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #154
Cogito wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to consult on JIRA a while back. These complaints seem like they have a couple of potential causes. One very common load time issue is downloading too much data at once, especially on boards. I understand some work has been done to make this better, but you may get some relief by creating new boards with very limited number of issues on it - you want the board's primary filter to be specific (eg a board just f…

> I used to consult on JIRA a while back. If consultants exist for a product, you know up-front that the product is intended as an "enterprise," end-all-be-all product, intended to be bought by high-level people, implemented by middle-level people, and configured to frustrate low-level people. It's not the product; it's the implementation, and it's a misalignment of incentives. Most companies big enough to afford JIR…

Mate... Jira is ~$8 a user per month. Complain about it all you like but you can't make comments about it's affordability. It's by far the cheapest option out there given it's feature set.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by [deleted] »

graypegg wrote: post #164
noisy_boy wrote: post #160

Based on the shitting on Jira going on in this thread, seems like Atlassian have an opportunity to introduce a (optional) simplified-UI that focuses on solving the most common workflow. Something like IntelliJ's "new" UI that reduces the clutter in the main screen (all the original knobs are still available in the Settings dialog).

They do already own trello! I remember rumours from when that buy-out happened that they’d turn trello into a new “view” for Jira projects as like a simplified version of the current Kanban board. Don’t think that ever happened.

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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by ccwilson10 »

noisy_boy wrote: post #160

Based on the shitting on Jira going on in this thread, seems like Atlassian have an opportunity to introduce a (optional) simplified-UI that focuses on solving the most common workflow. Something like IntelliJ's "new" UI that reduces the clutter in the main screen (all the original knobs are still available in the Settings dialog).

They have this via Jira Work Management

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by sschueller »

cypherg wrote: post #201
freefaler wrote: post #192

I see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much. I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall. There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow Hoever, there is 1 very good featur…

mate, on-prem is dead. it's not just atlassian, it's most software that can be run as saas. when people run on-prem they get hacked, for failing to patch or doing something equally ignorant, which ironically makes atlassian look bad. plus they would have to maintain 2 versions of the software, the saas version and the on-prem. just not worth it. better in invest in making their cloud better (get FedRAMP, etc)

On prem is definitely not dead. I know a few angry Atlassian customers that are now forced to shelling out 50k a year so they can continue to use jira on prem because it is still cheaper than migrating to an alternative. Not every one can dump their data into some cloud that is located somewhere in the void.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by alexjplant »

mdeeks wrote: post #199
alexjplant wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linear is unfortunately too opinionated. At my last gig my manager wanted everybody to be using the same task tracker (understandably) and I wanted our team to move to a Kanban process because we evolved into the Infra/DevOps/IT team and ended up doing very little product work. At the time there was no way to operate in this paradigm as Linear forced you to use "Cycles" (a proprietary term for a time box) and it mean…

Linear definitely does not force you to use Cycles. Cycles aren't even enabled by default. You have to specifically go into your team and enable it. It isn't a global setting either. It's a per team. So one team can do it while another doesn't have to. My guess is you wanted a Kanban board but didn't realize you can change the standard ticket view to a board view? If you're in the Active issue view for your team you…

I can be pretty thick sometimes but I _am_ smart enough to be able to change views in task tracking software ;-). If Linear supports disabling cycles then that's a new development... when we tried we had two others plus myself look at it and it simply wasn't an available option. Whether this was due to us not having a feature flag turned on or the wrong tier plan or what I can't say. Their method [1] specifically speaks to being rigid and working in cycles so I'm inclined to believe that this is a semi-recent change.

[1] https://linear.app/method/introduction

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by mdeeks »

alexjplant wrote: post #207
mdeeks wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linear definitely does not force you to use Cycles. Cycles aren't even enabled by default. You have to specifically go into your team and enable it. It isn't a global setting either. It's a per team. So one team can do it while another doesn't have to. My guess is you wanted a Kanban board but didn't realize you can change the standard ticket view to a board view? If you're in the Active issue view for your team you…

I can be pretty thick sometimes but I _am_ smart enough to be able to change views in task tracking software ;-). If Linear supports disabling cycles then that's a new development... when we tried we had two others plus myself look at it and it simply wasn't an available option. Whether this was due to us not having a feature flag turned on or the wrong tier plan or what I can't say. Their method [1] specifically spe…

Haha sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that. It's a tiny button though and not obvious. Was just taking a guess because it can be easy to miss and some of our users did at first.

I first opened my personal Linear account in 2020 and the default was no Cycles. I created a new team in that account today and it's the default.

I opened new one somewhat recently (2 months ago) for my company and the default was to have them off too.

The docs for Cycles say that here too: https://linear.app/docs/use-cycles#configure

Maybe you didn't have admin permissions on your team? Not sure.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by midoridensha »

sillybov3456 wrote: post #141
midoridensha wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they should work someplace better. It's like people saying the American automakers should have been bailed out just to save all the jobs: if those companies had been left to die, other automakers would have taken over their marketshare and expanded operations, hiring the unemployed workers and probably buying up a lot of factories, support companies, etc. Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in pl…

The other point of view is that the industry would have been entirely off shored. I think this is particularly a concern in tech, where US workers are notably spoiled even in comparison to the rest of the US. That wasn't the case with the auto workers to the same extent and so people were more sympathetic. I'd imagine everybody in tech gets told to fuck off pretty rudely if it ever gets to the point of bailouts, so t…

>The other point of view is that the industry would have been entirely off shored.

No, it wouldn't have. The ownership might have, but that's ok. Lots of great cars are built in the USA, by American workers, by companies like BMW and Honda and Toyota. If GM had been allowed to die, that would have simply meant more foreign-brand-owned factories in the US.

Why do you care so much about the nationality of the top execs?

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

climb_stealth wrote: post #82
AlotOfReading wrote: post #69

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As someone who is fervently anti-jira, it wouldn't be that hard to make it tolerable. Just make it so that I can't measure page loads with a wall-clock (I've clocked multi-minute loads before) that need 3-7 clicks to get where I need to be. Don't have an abundance of weird subviews that hide half the editable fields I use for another half that I don't. Make the currently active filters clear. So on and so forth, just…

I wonder if self-hosting is the performance difference. I have worked in projects with 15 years of history in Jira. And they were fine. It feels kind of slow but in reality it takes maybe three seconds to load any ticket. But actual minutes to load stuff? That is insane and I can see where the loathing would come from.

With enough data it's possible - I remember a colleague going to a conference and chatting with some Atlassian people and they said their priority (this was probably 2016 or 2017) was getting Jira to be performant for companies with 500,000+ people. With enough users, labels, releases etc I can see Jira churning on something for minutes.
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