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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by beerandt »

barnabee wrote: post #329
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

You want a "Professional" dishwasher, not a "Commercial" one.

Commercial are for high throughput. Professional are for special needs, like labware or medical equipment, and have customizable cycles.

Typical cycles of 25-30 mins, and some with cycles as short as 3 mins.

But they're still about 5x the cost of a basic residential model, even if cheaper than commercial types.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by throw0101c »

ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

> […] but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful.

Once you hit a sound rating of 44 dB, anything lower is not perceptibly different to human ears; there's a video with 55, 44, and 39 dB samples at:

* https://blog.yaleappliance.com/what-does-a-quiet-dishwasher-...

* https://blog.yaleappliance.com/quietest-dishwasher-by-decibe...

There's no sense paying for a unit that is quieter than 44 dB (though there may be other features you want to pay extra for, and you get the quieter operation 'for free').

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by MereInterest »

hedora wrote: post #190
userbinator wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My decades-old washing machine has a clearly labeled "cycle end signal loudness" knob. It ranges from off to so loud I can hear it from the other end of the house on a different floor. The other reply with the instructions on how to adjust the volume of the signal shows just how far UI has regressed. Instead of twisting a knob, you need to know some obscure key sequence.

Now that we have kids, I like the security through obscurity of the poorly designed menu. Of course, I’ll eventually be unable to read all the necessary tiny print, and will then need to get the kids to fix the settings…

The problem with poorly designed menus is that they can also be activated accidentally. Then you need to discover not only how to disable a feature, but also what the feature even is in the first place.

For example, once my headphones stopped playing sound whenever I would clear my throat or talk to the cats. It seemed like a weird intermittent failure, because I wasn’t expecting the microphone to have any effect when listening. And because it was an entirely new behavior. Turns out, if you triple-touch the right speaker and hold for three seconds, it will enter “speak to mute” mode. This can happen when taking the headphones off, so you don’t even hear any announcement about the mode.

Long ramble, but non-discoverable interfaces are a bit of a pet peeve.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by rascul »

Xylakant wrote: post #361
jrumbut wrote: post #332

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Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time.

Many modern dishwashers are essentially leak-proof. They have a closed bottom, a sensor that detects liquid and use a low-pressure hose with a valve at the end that connects to the wall outlet. The hose is double walled, so even in the event that the low pressure hose leaks, all water will end up in the dishwasher.

In the US, it's usually a cheap plastic hose connected to the sink supply, so same pressure as the rest of the house. I delivered and installed appliances for a couple years, still do on occasion.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by throw0101c »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #357
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

why do you guys use a dishwasher? we traditionally never have used one (not just me, i mean the community) so there is no "need" for it. rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it because it is too much of a bother and even for them, the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. elbow gease, is just a part of the routine. You cook, you eat and you clean.

> why do you guys use a dishwasher?

Try measuring your water usage with elbow grease.

An EnergStar-rating dishwasher has to use ≤15L on its normal cycle, even with a full load. Imagine how many dishes and pots and pans you can fit in a standard dishwasher.

* https://homeguides.sfgate.com/many-gallons-water-used-dishwa...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by throw0101c »

sokoloff wrote: post #363
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you guys use a dishwasher? we traditionally never have used one (not just me, i mean the community) so there is no "need" for it. rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it because it is too much of a bother and even for them, the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. elbow gease, is just a part of the routine. You cook, you eat and you clean.

> even for [rich people], the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. The dishwasher tablets we use are $0.16 each. If we ran the dishwasher everyday, that’s under $60/yr. Rinse aid adds about $0.04 per load, so The powdered detergents are even cheaper I think, but I’ve never had reason to consider further economizing as we run 3-4 loads per week for a family of 4.

This Technology Connections videos goes over why you may want to go with powder to get better cleaning results (which lower cost being just a bonus):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by throwawaylinux »

sethammons wrote: post #354
eru wrote: post #63

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If you have a clock that shuts off when the power is cut, you don't need to worry about drifting: Most of those are synchronized to the grid, and the grid keeps time really, really well. They actually synchronize the grid to atomic clocks etc for that purpose.

The grid? As in power lines? How in the world would that even work? I've seen a clock that could reset its own time using radio signals. I don't think radio counts as the grid however.

Some clocks use the mains frequency as the input reference. They aren't talking about the time of day being synchronized, just time intervals. I wonder how common that is among modern appliances.

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Post by mighty_plant »

ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Be careful what you wish for. Professional dishwashers as most commonly used seem to be linked to health disorders: https://studyfinds.org/dishwashers-harm-gut-health/

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by masklinn »

MereInterest wrote: post #367
masklinn wrote: post #343

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> I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. You can. It’s just way less efficient, way noisier, and way more expensive. A Hobart conveyor dishwasher has a cycle time south of 3mn (and throughput of 3 racks/mn, with conveyor speeds reaching 6ft/mn). But it’d probably take most of your kitchen and blow up your electric panel (they need an exclusive 208V 3-phase, and if you plonk for the booster h…

To my understanding, restaurant dishwashers also assume that foods residue has already been removed, and are primarily to sanitize the surface with high temperatures. Residential dishwashers, by contrast, start by prewashing anything that is immediately removable, main wash to slowly break down anything stuck on, and only then go to the high temperature sanitization step. Commercial dishwashers also assume they’re in…

Hobart’s prospectus don’t necessarily agree (there’s a fair bit on managing residue), but it’s definitely on the lighter side of dirty, and not for heavily soiled stuff like pots and pans.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by nyczomg »

Angostura wrote: post #25
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

From the manual Cycle Completion Signal The cycle completion signal alerts you when a cycle completes and the dishwasher has washed and dried the dishes. You can choose to disable the tone or adjust the volume. NOTE: The unit must be powered OFF before activating. To activate: • Press and hold the right "Cancel Reset" button then press and hold the ON/OFF button. • When the light on the "Cancel Reset" button you are…

No idea why I didn't think to look into this more - but my bosch dishwasher has been driving me crazy since I moved into my current house. Thank you! I can now start a load of dishes right before bed without knowing I'll be incorporating a periodic beeping from the kitchen in my dreams!

For other bosch owners out there - older models label the button as cancel/drain. This article was helpful for my model https://www.fixya.com/support/t24500578-want_disable_beep_wh...

Back on topic - if this thing could wash a load in under an hour that would be amazing. No idea what the author of the article is talking about...

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