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Post by johnny_canuck »

niccl wrote: post #225

These comments seem to make a gloriously meta confirmation of the article's point. The article is saying that engineers (among others) have been known to optimise for the wrong thing. He uses a possibly inappropriate example of faster dishwashers. Then many of the commenters (quite likely engineers) optimise their comments on the thing they know about -- desirability or otherwise of faster dishwashers -- rather than…

I was surprised to pop into the comments and read the same in the first few top posts. Now I want a follow-up article from the author, haha.

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Post by Xcelerate »

I think most customers would like a dishwasher that actually works, which—having used quite a few of them—appears to remain an unsolved problem.

First, there’s the mystery of “wet dog smell” on glasses that has persisted across multiple apartments in multiple states for us (and appears to be a well-known phenomenon across the internet). And then there’s the issue that despite their claims to also dry dishes, most dishwashers do no such thing as the plasticware remains soaked despite many interesting but ultimately unsuccessful hacks by dishwasher manufacturers.

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Post by ianvisits »

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful.

Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

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Post by pflanze »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #284
krageon wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to rinse off what you put in if there is a lot of stuff on it, not because it will not be cleaned (it probably will) but because you don't want to have to clean that out of the machine at the end of the night. What does it mean for the gut barrier to be destroyed? I've worked in such kitchens in the past and there wasn't any material change in how I digest food or how sick I get, so I would suspect it's not…

Well I guess if you're not affected it can't be an issue, can it. Also those asians should simply try milk. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009167492...

Discussion and link to the full text: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33822149

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Post by oblio »

iopq wrote: post #279
golem14 wrote: post #208

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I see nothing wrong with this. Most people are hardwired to be helpful to others, especially when no one else is judging.

If you ask a question usually few, if any, people attempt to help. When you outright say something wrong, everyone will be telling you the exact solution to your problem

https://xkcd.com/386/

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Post by lozenge »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #262
imp0cat wrote: post #240

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YMMV, but our Bosch dishwasher has 5 modes and one of them is "party" mode. When selected, the machine first preheats water for 30 minutes and then you can load it repeatedly, each load only takes 10 minutes to wash. It does have two drawbacks though. First, you have to use liquid detergent, as tablets do not dissolve fast enough. Second, it consumes a lot of power and water as opposed to the regular 3h+ setting. But…

I wonder what it is about dishwashers that need 3h in order to be efficient, when hand washing can accomplish the same task much faster for similar amount of resources as long as you don't wash under a continuously open faucet.

The cleaning is done by pushing soapy water against your dishes with high momentum. If the water is already hot then reheating it doesn't use much energy so it's pushing the same water through again and again. The pump is not using much energy.

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Post by nopassrecover »

Xcelerate wrote: post #322

I think most customers would like a dishwasher that actually works, which—having used quite a few of them—appears to remain an unsolved problem. First, there’s the mystery of “wet dog smell” on glasses that has persisted across multiple apartments in multiple states for us (and appears to be a well-known phenomenon across the internet). And then there’s the issue that despite their claims to also dry dishes, most dis…

I’m sure you’ve tried it all, but as someone who also dislikes odours in glasses that have been through the dishwasher we’re pretty attentive to only ever putting glasses in their own cycle, and minimising cleaning dishes with eggs in the washer (hand cleaning or at least washing off).

Agree with you on the challenges of finding issue-free appliances (feel the same on vacuums, stick blenders, and probably a half dozen other examples).

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Post by XorNot »

Xcelerate wrote: post #322

I think most customers would like a dishwasher that actually works, which—having used quite a few of them—appears to remain an unsolved problem. First, there’s the mystery of “wet dog smell” on glasses that has persisted across multiple apartments in multiple states for us (and appears to be a well-known phenomenon across the internet). And then there’s the issue that despite their claims to also dry dishes, most dis…

It does strike me that to really dry dishes you basically need to incorporate a dehumidifier into the system.

Which actually surprises me that no one's done it, because small dehumidifiers are quite cheap, and if it would be a hell of a premium feature.

I've never had any problems with weird odors though.

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Post by barnabee »

ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

hinkley wrote: post #222
causi wrote: post #32

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Even if it didn't have the option, all you'd have to do is open up the front panel and rip the beeper off the board. That's what I do to my microwaves that can't be muted.

Once upon a time I earned some major brownie points with a husband and wife by disassembling their child's electronic toy, inserting a piece of kleenex between the speaker and the grill, and reassembling it, now 30dB quieter. Initially they suggested I just cut the wire but I figured I could do something a little easier to reverse.

When I was little we just put some scotch over the speaker, no disassembly required!
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