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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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My wife had a saying that applied to almost all of this kind of thing: Designed by a man!

And yet, I bet women were pretty happy when men created the dishwasher.

One can be happy that something exists while at the same time lamenting that the design isn’t ideal

(Edit: though incidentally, it turns out that the inventor of the dishwasher — or at least one of the earliest working designs — was a woman, as the sibling post pointed out; didn’t know that)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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A more energy efficient dishwasher would be nice though...

They are already pretty good. Like 1 to 2 kwh, probably substantially less if you dont use heated dry.

The worst dishwashers sold in the EU still use less than 1 kWh on the eco program.

https://www.coolblue.de/en/advice/energy-consumption-dishwas...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Only in places that twiddle with the clocks twice a year.

Plus powercuts, plus them drifting.

If you have a clock that shuts off when the power is cut, you don't need to worry about drifting:

Most of those are synchronized to the grid, and the grid keeps time really, really well. They actually synchronize the grid to atomic clocks etc for that purpose.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Most of the comments here are basically explaining why they actually would like faster dishwashers. Choose your motivating examples carefully.

It doesn't matter how carefully you chose your examples, internet is so big that exceptions will happen and people like to voice their contrarian opinions (nothing wrong with that).

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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I'm sure that some restaurants could use a faster dishwasher.

Restaurant dish washers are already extremely fast and efficient. They wash dishes in a couple of minutes. They also consume a lot of power and water, and take some time to heat up in the morning when starting work.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Having washed dishes for a while, actually no. A commercial dishwasher only takes ~2 minutes to cycle and dry. They run hot as all fuck. It's the people like me you wanted to be faster. Commercial dishwashers are not as good at getting food off plates. Any crap left on the plate will get spread on everything else, so you have to pre-wash everything first. You should really do it at home too, but most of the reason a…

> Any crap left on the plate will get spread on everything else, so you have to pre-wash everything first. You should really do it at home too, [...] Why? If I have to wash my own dishes, that would defeat the point of a dishwasher..

You'll have to clean that stuff out of your dish washer otherwise.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My wife had a saying that applied to almost all of this kind of thing: Designed by a man!

Hopefully we will eventually arrive at a place where it could have been designed by a woman!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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I'm sure that some restaurants could use a faster dishwasher.

Restaurant dishwashers are a different beast to what you have in your kitchen. Gets the job done in seconds. Of course, they are also very expensive, really loud, uses very hot water, are really large, and probably use harsher chemicals.

Oooh, yes. Though the "done in seconds" commercial dishwashers are a good number of model & feature upsells above the most basic ones. Might need 240V and serious amps, too.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Pro tip about your home dishwasher: Run hot water out of your faucet until it’s extremely hot before starting your dishwasher. (Considering the faucet and dishwasher use the same plumbing to pipe water in) The reason why is dishwashers line to do a rinse in the first cycle and for most people the water isn’t hot enough. So it fills up with lukewarm water and isn’t as effective. Another option is to have a hot water c…

This assumes your dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water feed in the first place, most aren't. Most have a cold water intake and a heating element that heats it up internally to the correct temperature, so actually your tip is just wasting water (potentially hot water) for anyone who has a modern dishwasher.

I thought it was the reverse today. They used to heat hot water but now rely on hot water I put due to energy efficiency requirements. They keep water warm but don’t really heat it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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"people need their dishes clean by next meal" Sadly, modern dishwashers are not only are slow, they also suck at this too. I don't mind the slower performance since I get why, but the number of times i open the dishwasher to find half the detergent in the dispenser and all the bowls with stuff cooked on kills me. The HP-ificaton of major appliance brands is so infuriating.

You might be using yours wrong? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

I've watched that actually. I since started using the pre-wash dispenser, and done routine cleanings (and if your appliance requires routine cleanings, making you disassemble the thing to access the filter is inexcusable). It's improved things a little, but not enough.

Considering that all 3 Maytag appliances I bought at the same time are defective in various ways, I'm treating it as another instance of a major brand strip-mining their reputation by selling cheaply built garbage until consumers finally give up on them.

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