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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by alias_neo »

jhoechtl wrote: post #283

I have fairly old dishwasher, probably not very energy efficient. It finishes it's job in about 1:30. If I would have a more modern, energy efficient but slower dishwasher, in a four person household I would need more dishes. Now the fallacy is, more dishes (if you have the space to store them away) are far more cheaper on the long run but sticking to your old dishwasher. Take-away: Get a new dish-washer.

New dishwashers are incredible. I had a Bosch in the home I moved from, I picked out the best I could afford and was very happy with it, but decided to leave it behind for the new owner.

Moved into a place that has a Kenwood thats a few years older, maybe 5+ and I hate everything about it; not only does it not clean my dishes as well, it takes ages to do it, and it will beep forever until I switch it off after a cycle finishes.

We intend to replace it with another Bosch as soon as we can, but we just moved so, priorities are elsewhere right now.

Take-away: Get a new dish-washer as soon as possible.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Symbiote »

hedora wrote: post #189
KiwiJohnno wrote: post #180

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My dishwasher (LG) plays a cheerful tune to let you know when it has finished its cycle (60 mins) At least its not too obtrusive, and it only does it once. But.... then it has a cooldown timer, and if you open the door within the next 30 mins it LOSES ITS SHIT at you, beeping and carrying on because the dishes haven't finished drying. I mean... Why play the happy tune to announce to the world that you've finished...…

Our LG oven plays all sorts of fucking tunes for preheat, timer done, etc. The only tones you can disable are button presses and microwave done. Also, it is a dual oven, and the top half is also a microwave. The problem is that the top half oven functions insist on being given cooking times after baking modes preheat. (99h99m is my usual go to, which causes it to round down and demand a second “start” keypress). The…

55h55m would avoid the rounding.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by capableweb »

SoftTalker wrote: post #215
wheels wrote: post #175

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Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Good lord. I don’t even know 20 people… at least not well enough to have them over for dinner.

People are different, and that's OK :) Some people have 1-2 really close friends, others have 20 friends that they are not that close with but still close enough to meet every week for dinner, but if you want someone to help you hide a body when you accidentally killed someone, you're probably better off with 1-2 really close friends.

And also, you can invite anyone over for dinner, that's sometimes how you make acquaintances into friends :)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by gambiting »

moremetadata wrote: post #231
bawolff wrote: post #212

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Tbf, commercial dishwashers are totally different type of device than home dishwashers.

Yeah the domestic variety, dont rinse the cleaning chemicals off the dishes properly, so they always stink of gunk after they have been cleaned. I think it would be healthier to employer someone to wash and rinse dishes properly, like a servant.

>>so they always stink of gunk after they have been cleaned

No, that's just the issue of detergent people use, some brands are perfumed to high hell and more because people have this weird idea that the stronger it smells the better it cleans - which is obviously nonsense. You should be aware that with some smells it's not an issue of not enough rinsing - they linger no matter how much you rinse and rinse and rinse - it's not a safety issue.

If you want to have clean dishes with zero smell afterwards, get something like the Finish 0% tablets, they aren't perfumed at all, so there is no smell when you open the dishwasher. I use them for that reason alone.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Symbiote »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #251
ithkuil wrote: post #247

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> Yes, I very much wish it ran faster. Or more silent.

That would also help. But then I probably wouldn't trust it to be blasting the heck out of my dishes. But if they came out clean, I certainly would not complain.

I set the delay timer so it starts when I'm asleep and finished just as I wake.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jaclaz »

soco wrote: post #142
jaclaz wrote: post #122

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I see, I thought there were tens of different models with different features/interfaces/settings/whatever. At least then Bosch is coherent.

I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because I have 4 (four) Bosch kitchen devices which might look similar (a rotating button with little displays left and right) but function WILDLY different - emphasis mine. On one the rotating button can be pushed, the displays are touch sensitive except on one, on one two increment by the touch displays not by rotating, on one the settings are reached by long pressing the info area,…

>I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because ...

Actually I was mostly surprised by the parent comment, I thought that even in the subset of just dishwashers they had at least three different sets of controls/menus/settings.

>I'm sorry but I'm 110% behind the OC, no Bosch decision maker EVER used those appliances.

Well, I would extend that to most other manufacturers, I believe each one needs to show "something new" at the annual fair, and since - after all - there is not much to invent anymore in a dishwasher or a microwave, they add (senseless) features in the UI that only - say - 1% of users will ever use, inconveniencing the 99% of them.

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Post by capableweb »

dudul wrote: post #76
nielsole wrote: post #57

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Cochrane

That's an evolution of what was invented by Joel Houghton.

In case you weren't aware:

> The first mechanical dishwashing device was registered for a patent in 1850 in the United States by Joel Houghton

> The device was both slow and unreliable.

> Another patent was granted to L.A. Alexander in 1865

> Neither device was practical or widely accepted.

And finally

> The most successful of the hand-powered dishwashers was invented in 1886 by Josephine Cochrane together with mechanic George Butters

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher#History)

So yeah, all three invented the dishwasher it seems, but thanks to Josephine Cochrane (and Butters), we actually have a working and reliable dishwasher, something Joel Houghton was unable to build.

You're all right, in your own way.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by alias_neo »

jhoechtl wrote: post #288
alias_neo wrote: post #285

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I have the same hate. I had a nice Bosch dishwasher I chose and bought in my last home, but I left it behind for the new owners. It would beep 3 times, 5 minutes apart and then stop. The beeps were gently. My new home has a Kenwood, and it will beep few minutes, forever. If I start a wash before bed, I will literally hear it all night, no matter where I am in the house. Some nights I'll go downstairs just to turn it…

My dishwasher is quiet, bit my washing machines and the dryer are talkative. Both have a setup AND a dedicated quiet mode button to silence them. Maybe you should invest some time to RTFM?

Now you mention it, I will. I literally had no clue it could/would/might have such a feature, its interface is very simple compared to the Bosch I had before, so I never even thought to look for an STFU mode.

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Post by dsego »

Tor3 wrote: post #249

When my dishwasher still worked I did actually care about the speed. Of course cleanliness is the number one priority, but I also cared a lot about how long it took. Having a dishwasher going chunka-chunka for three hours in the kitchen, which is next to the living room (open solution) is absolutely unacceptable.

There are silent dish washers out there, I have one, turn it on and there is just barely noticeable hum.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by kleiba »

fifilura wrote: post #275
tehwebguy wrote: post #271

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It can start with just one but if the dinner is good enough you’ll hit 20 in no time!

Do it! Or the easy way. 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit!

Extra brownie points for getting married to someone with a big family.
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