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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by bongoman37 »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #23
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My wife had a saying that applied to almost all of this kind of thing: Designed by a man!

I know people in the Bosch product design team, there are certainly women there.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Merad »

falcolas wrote: post #99
carlosjobim wrote: post #66

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You'll have to clean that stuff out of your dish washer otherwise.

Not really. It’s ground up and goes down the drain with the waste water. The Technology Connections YouTube channel has some nice, in-depth looks at dishwashers and soap.

If you buy a dishwasher with that feature. It's not standard. I know because my parents went cheap on their last dishwasher purchase because "they're all the same." About two years later I got to help troubleshoot why their dishwasher wouldn't get anything clean... the bottom of it was basically a solid layer of rotten food particles.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by ctroein89 »

RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

> Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen.

It also says a lot about how the author relates to restaurants, where a faster dishwasher is a selling point. Faster is separately important from throughput, because if it the takes 3 hours to run the dish washer, that’s a lot of plates that need to be washed and stacked all at once for a restaurant, and a lot of dishwashers needed to handle that volume.

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Post by sokoloff »

mgdlbp wrote: post #141
krisroadruck wrote: post #31

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You can blame detergent regulations for this. About a decade or so back phosphates were banned from detergents. The problem is that was the thing that made them work really well. In order to compensate for less effective detergents, cycle times have gotten longer. Phosphate detergents are still available in commercial soaps, but I don't recommend skirting the regs here as they had some solid reasoning (algae blooms).…

Funnily, if you ask around outside America, you'll get the opposite advice: a cold water connection gives better cleaning, because starch and protein do not coagulate in the initial rinse[0]. I suppose conventional wisdom only serves the status quo. Which effect is actually greater? Have yet to find a scientific test. [0] Compare what you find with dishwasher hot water site:reddit.com dishwasher hot water site:forums…

My mid-range Bosch dries the dishes just fine. If I unload it right at the end of the cycle, they’re slightly uncomfortably hot.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by kbaker »

pottertheotter wrote: post #169
t-writescode wrote: post #161

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You may or may not have seen Technology Connections' many, many videos on the subject of dishwashers. The tl; dr is: * use the basic powder stuff * put some of the basic powder stuff in the "pre wash" section * if your washer doesn't have a prewash, sprinkle a little on the inside * turn the sink water on hot until it's producing hot water before starting the dishwasher * if your dishwasher has a filter for food, che…

I found this to be bad advice. I switched to the basic powder stuff for a while and my dishes were always horrible. Went back to Cascade Platinum pods and I've never had a problem.

I've switched over to using Cascade Gel in the prewash and a Platinum pod in main wash after watching the video a couple months ago. I felt the powder stuff gets kinda messy amd the gel is easier.

I don't need to pre rinse and scrub anymore. Silverware, dishes, and pots go straight in even with food residue dried on, so I save a bunch of time.

Everything comes out perfectly spotless and squeaky clean. Older GE dishwasher on auto.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by dahfizz »

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My Bosch clothes dryer does the same thing. It will continue to beep at you forever after drying my clothes. Who thought this was a good idea???

Interestingly, my Bosch clothes washing machine has a button to disable the beeper. But not the dryer, even though they come as a stacked pair. ????

Edit: yes, I did read through the manual and entered the magic cheat code to make the dryer silent. Still a befuddling and frustrating experience.

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Post by wrycoder »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #139
the_third_wave wrote: post #132

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Good for your wife and I hope you have some snappy retort. Then, again... Imagine if someone here said something similar about some dysfunctional piece of equipment: Designed by a woman! Either both of these made-in-jest sayings should be accepted - which is fine by me - or neither of them. Have a look at the way men are portrayed in commercials to see how far this imbalance has gone: Men are smelly badly-dressed clu…

You are over-thinking this. My wife's remark was almost invariably directed at goods and machines that were either aimed specifically at women or roles where women are overrepresented or at things the design of which clearly had not involved thinking that women would use them. One classic example of the latter is car seatbelts and other safety features of cars. Examples of the former abound in the kitchen which in mo…

My wife just hauls out her sling blade.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by phkahler »

wheels wrote: post #175
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue.

Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by hedora »

KiwiJohnno wrote: post #180
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My dishwasher (LG) plays a cheerful tune to let you know when it has finished its cycle (60 mins) At least its not too obtrusive, and it only does it once. But.... then it has a cooldown timer, and if you open the door within the next 30 mins it LOSES ITS SHIT at you, beeping and carrying on because the dishes haven't finished drying. I mean... Why play the happy tune to announce to the world that you've finished...…

Our LG oven plays all sorts of fucking tunes for preheat, timer done, etc. The only tones you can disable are button presses and microwave done.

Also, it is a dual oven, and the top half is also a microwave. The problem is that the top half oven functions insist on being given cooking times after baking modes preheat. (99h99m is my usual go to, which causes it to round down and demand a second “start” keypress).

The final cherry on top is that it has a fucking modal UI. Like vim, but on a kitchen appliance. The terminal state for most actions is where it says “program complete”, and you have to press “clear” before it will accept any other keystrokes.

I’m pretty sure the people that set the meat thermometer to aggressively cool the oven at target temperature (instead of just beeping out a god awful unmutable song) have never actually cooked. I suspect they don’t even understand what “human food” is.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by hedora »

userbinator wrote: post #171
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My decades-old washing machine has a clearly labeled "cycle end signal loudness" knob. It ranges from off to so loud I can hear it from the other end of the house on a different floor. The other reply with the instructions on how to adjust the volume of the signal shows just how far UI has regressed. Instead of twisting a knob, you need to know some obscure key sequence.

Now that we have kids, I like the security through obscurity of the poorly designed menu.

Of course, I’ll eventually be unable to read all the necessary tiny print, and will then need to get the kids to fix the settings…

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