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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by t-writescode »

bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

You may or may not have seen Technology Connections' many, many videos on the subject of dishwashers.

The tl; dr is:

  * use the basic powder stuff
  * put some of the basic powder stuff in the "pre wash" section
  * if your washer doesn't have a prewash, sprinkle a little on the inside
  * turn the sink water on hot until it's producing hot water before starting the dishwasher
  * if your dishwasher has a filter for food, check that it's empty
  * you're probably using too much detergent
https://www.youtube.com/@TechnologyConnections/search?query=...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by FooBarWidget »

Slow dishwasher is a huge pain.

When relatives visit and join dinner (and they do so often) I end up with more dishes than I can fit in the dishwasher.

I can wash the remaining dishes the next morning, but this wastes energy and water because the dishwasher is not full.

I can also "preventatively" turn on the dishes in the afternoon, to wash the breakfast and lunch dishes, so that it's completely empty for the dinner dishes. But this too wastes resources (not full, but better than the "wash remainders next morning" scenario), and I have to turn it on early enough in the afternoon so that it finishes before people start cooking (around 16.00).

It's a pain to have to wait for 3 hours. I would absolutely want a dishwasher that finishes in 1 hour.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#163

Post by sixstringtheory »

the_third_wave wrote: post #134
dagw wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was dishwasher shopping last, this feature alone cost almost $200. As in I could get exactly the same dish washer with exactly same features, other than the auto open, and pay $200 less.

Buy the cheaper one, get the extra part - probably a movable door latch, at least that is how my mother's Miele does this - and build it in the device yourself. You may have to add something to actually make the thing move since the firmware in the controller probably does not have this function enabled on down-specced versions [1] either by changing the firmware or by adding a simple circuit (hooked up to that beepe…

In the time it would take to procure all necessary parts and tools, and perform the labor, most people could've earned enough wage to just pony up the $200 for a streamlined solution.

Not to mention avoiding the risk of voiding the warranty on a brand new appliance, or a house fire by mucking about with electricity in a device that also has water shooting around in it.

By all means though, to all the tinkerers out there, knock yourselves out...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by mgbmtl »

bick_nyers wrote: post #49
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

Well... there is certainly a way to disable that beeper, but it may void your warranty. I've been strongly considering cutting out the beeper in my refrigerator, which will aggressively beep after a mere 20 seconds of being open. One way I like to cope with this frustration is to subscribe to the conspiracy that it is an intentional anti-pattern designed to motivate me to upgrade to a more expensive model that has a…

I found it annoying at first, but sometimes we don't close the door properly because it's too full, or a badly closed drawer is blocking the door.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#167

Post by toss1 »

l0b0 wrote: post #147

There are market opportunities at all axes: - Some people genuinely need a faster dishwasher, because having clean dishes in a timely fashion is important. - Some people need cleaner dishes than others. Cleanliness isn't binary. - Some people need a more energy efficient dishwasher. - Some people need a smaller/bigger/more corrosion-resistant/quiet/heavy duty/etc. dishwasher than the market norm. The trick is figurin…

Also key is HOW MUCH of each of these properties.

The article's main point stands only to a certain degree. Speeding the dishwashing cycle from 120 minutes to 60 minutes, or even 30 minutes will almost always be a "who cares?" feature; None of those scale of speed-up change that basic work cycle of load, go away, and come back at another mealtime.

But speeding it to less than 5 minutes or 5 seconds per dish could be a very attractive feature, because it would change the entire work cycle such that the whole meal and kitchen could be cleaned up and put away in minutes.

Now, can you do that feature and have a great ROI is another question, but it's often nonlinear.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#168

Post by [deleted] »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #120
twelve40 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think messing with time is what's nuts and looking forward to the day US follows other countries in getting rid of that largely pointless busywork

I agree. The US doesn’t mess with time in some states, including where we live (Arizona).

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#169

Post by pottertheotter »

t-writescode wrote: post #161
bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

You may or may not have seen Technology Connections' many, many videos on the subject of dishwashers. The tl; dr is: * use the basic powder stuff * put some of the basic powder stuff in the "pre wash" section * if your washer doesn't have a prewash, sprinkle a little on the inside * turn the sink water on hot until it's producing hot water before starting the dishwasher * if your dishwasher has a filter for food, che…

I found this to be bad advice. I switched to the basic powder stuff for a while and my dishes were always horrible. Went back to Cascade Platinum pods and I've never had a problem.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#170

Post by CamperBob2 »

t-writescode wrote: post #158
CamperBob2 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[dead]

What is "this" that you're referring to as a mental illness?

   --------------------
   You can cook on your stove when it’s in Sabbath Mode, but 
   additional features and functionality are disabled. Here are 
   some common features and functions of stoves or cooktops with 
   Sabbath Mode:

      Cooktop burners can still be operated.

      Sounds such as tones or chimes are disabled.

      Displays will not indicate temperature changes.

      Timers are disabled.

      Cooktop Lockout, a feature that prevents unintended 
      use of the cooktop, is disabled.

      Energy Save is disabled in select models.

      Start, Cancel and Off keys, as well as Warming Zone on/off 
      (select models), remain enabled. All other keys are disabled.
   --------------------
Does that sound rational to you? God is happy if the cooktop burner works, but not if an alert tone sounds?

It's OK to cancel the cycle or adjust warming zones, whatever that is, but temperature displays and child safety interlocks are right out?

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