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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Tor3 »

l0b0 wrote: post #147

There are market opportunities at all axes: - Some people genuinely need a faster dishwasher, because having clean dishes in a timely fashion is important. - Some people need cleaner dishes than others. Cleanliness isn't binary. - Some people need a more energy efficient dishwasher. - Some people need a smaller/bigger/more corrosion-resistant/quiet/heavy duty/etc. dishwasher than the market norm. The trick is figurin…

I generally agree, except for the "Some people need cleaner dishes than others". I can't imagine someone actually accepting "washed" dishes with food stains on them. Either they're clean, or they're not. Presumably you could do a scientific test to figure out the amount of bacteria left, but I assume we're not talking at that level.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jhoechtl »

I have fairly old dishwasher, probably not very energy efficient. It finishes it's job in about 1:30.

If I would have a more modern, energy efficient but slower dishwasher, in a four person household I would need more dishes.

Now the fallacy is, more dishes (if you have the space to store them away) are far more cheaper on the long run but sticking to your old dishwasher.

Take-away: Get a new dish-washer.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

krageon wrote: post #267
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. they’re really de-greasers, you have to pre-wash the plates 2. the surfactants used are suspected to destroy the gut barrier, because they aren’t being washed off for speed reasons, unlike consumer models

You need to rinse off what you put in if there is a lot of stuff on it, not because it will not be cleaned (it probably will) but because you don't want to have to clean that out of the machine at the end of the night. What does it mean for the gut barrier to be destroyed? I've worked in such kitchens in the past and there wasn't any material change in how I digest food or how sick I get, so I would suspect it's not…

Well I guess if you're not affected it can't be an issue, can it. Also those asians should simply try milk.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009167492...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by alias_neo »

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

I have the same hate. I had a nice Bosch dishwasher I chose and bought in my last home, but I left it behind for the new owners. It would beep 3 times, 5 minutes apart and then stop. The beeps were gently.

My new home has a Kenwood, and it will beep few minutes, forever. If I start a wash before bed, I will literally hear it all night, no matter where I am in the house. Some nights I'll go downstairs just to turn it off if it's particularly bothering me.

Like you, I don't give a shit when the dishes are done, they can stay in the dishwasher until I'm ready to empty it, the stupid forever-beep is terrible design that like the linked article, makes weird assumptions about how you use your kitchen and dishwasher).

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jhoechtl »

wheels wrote: post #175
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

This is also telling how thin the walls are where you live. I live in an old house with an old and fairly loud dishwasher. One door closed and there are no vibrations or noise problem.

Can a dishwasher really become a noise problem?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by alliao »

ihateolives wrote: post #236
mytailorisrich wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A dishwasher buys the convenience of not doing the dishes. That frees your time in itself and in general the time it takes the dishwasher to run is not critical.

> in general the time it takes the dishwasher to run is not critical I have children. They use plates, bowls, cups, cutlery, more bowls, more plates, more cups. I have only limited room for additional dishes. Dishes better be done before dinner or else somebody is going to have bad time. And generally if someone in the family is having bad time then everybody is going to have bad time.

duralex picardie tumblers are indestructible and cheap, I have a drawer full of them and yet kids can use a dozen plus a day... moving away from bowls to plates really help with cramming too but I'm Asian and have to say it ain't easy to let bowls go

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jhoechtl »

alias_neo wrote: post #285
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

I have the same hate. I had a nice Bosch dishwasher I chose and bought in my last home, but I left it behind for the new owners. It would beep 3 times, 5 minutes apart and then stop. The beeps were gently. My new home has a Kenwood, and it will beep few minutes, forever. If I start a wash before bed, I will literally hear it all night, no matter where I am in the house. Some nights I'll go downstairs just to turn it…

My dishwasher is quiet, bit my washing machines and the dryer are talkative. Both have a setup AND a dedicated quiet mode button to silence them. Maybe you should invest some time to RTFM?

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Post by Symbiote »

moremetadata wrote: post #231
bawolff wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbf, commercial dishwashers are totally different type of device than home dishwashers.

Yeah the domestic variety, dont rinse the cleaning chemicals off the dishes properly, so they always stink of gunk after they have been cleaned. I think it would be healthier to employer someone to wash and rinse dishes properly, like a servant.

You should clean your dishwasher, and check you aren't using too much detergent. (You know you aren't supposed to fill up the detergent holder to the top?)
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