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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by notimetorelax »

bydlocoder wrote: post #31
onion2k wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always you have to remember that the public UI of a SaaS business is rarely telling the whole story about why the headcount is what it is, and without significantly deeper knowledge of everything the business is doing, including future products in development , it's really hard to say if there are too many people or not. Most engineers are not in a business to support the day to day running of an app. They're ther…

That's why I mentioned "incoherent and probably useless other tools". Apparently, they launched some sort of no-code tool for stringing APIs together but still not ready with their GraphQL client. For reference, another company that sells developer tools, JetBrains, has around 2000 employees.

Margins are still very high for a tech company, so the business can be sustainable even with high R&D costs. What’s happening is the end of a cycle where everyone pulled back on their spending and companies try to keep the same margins by managing their expenses as they cannot attract more revenue.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by bydlocoder »

endtime wrote: post #21
twelve40 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most companies overhired how is it possible for most companies to overhire? where did all those hires come from? maybe facebook doubled by poaching non-faang people, but where did the non-faang companies get all these extra hires from? > a lot of the people who are being laid off never would have had jobs since tech layoffs mostly affect eng, pm's, hr and a bit of management, it seems strange that these mostly well…

A lot of startups probably didn't get founded. And CS enrollment has probably been up (haven't checked).

And a lot of startups that shouldn't exist got financed.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by harry8 »

nullspace wrote: post #30
twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

>... I really don't get the hatred.

The hatred pretty much comes directly from the fact that as developers we are not the customer, just the user.

What do developers want? Not to wait for flipping ever on every damn mouse click. To be as fast and minimal as possible. Stay out of the way so I can get work done.

What does the customer (the person who selects the product and signs away company $ for it) To "manage" developers with more of the latest utter bullcrap management cult incantations that are fundamentally useless while being time expensive to developers who have just a little bit of talent. Kanban. What the actual f&^k? Seriously. Does it cost develeoper time? How much? Is it worth that time?

So yeah, bits of jira as a bug tracker were designed ok, then made worse and worse and worse and slower to run and worse I have to do what now? and slower and worse and what else is there non-atlassian like literally anything else is worth a shot.

Years ago in a fit of "do something about the misery" I looked at the atlassian website, saw "contact the founders" and thought I'd let them know how much worse this crap was getting and how much I didn't like putting up with it as a user. Some flunky created a goddamn jira ticket, then closed it! Never seen by the founders. Being an angry idiot I sent another one filing a bug that "contact the founders" is not seen by the founders so is wholly dishonest. You can guess how that changed everything.

They don't and didn't care. They hate me and my kind is the only reasonable inference I can make. What am I meant to do? Turn the other cheek so they can make more money kicking me in the shins? Yeah so there's one place the hate comes from. We are forced to use a product made by a company who hates us.

Hopefully that clears it up one perspective for you. Others may see things differently of course.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by coin »

nullspace wrote: post #30
twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

> as fleshed out or complete as it is

Their dropdown list doesn't show the currently selected item

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by pcthrowaway »

twblalock wrote: post #26
bzhang255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.

9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. Does that mean they will lose their jobs? Yes. It's still the best outcome for the world and those people will get other jobs, hopefully making better products.

It's really nice to have an alternative to github.

Say what you want about bitbucket, but people have been banned from github for pretty fickle reasons, so it's nice that they can still host repositories somewhere else for free.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by latency-guy2 »

twelve40 wrote: post #17
twblalock wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most companies overhired and would have been punished if they didn't. Now they will be punished if they don't shrink. Public companies have to follow the market or their shareholders will slap them down. The real villain is the Federal Reserve, because their policies created a bubble. We should also keep in mind that quite a lot of the people who are being laid off never would have had jobs if it wasn't for the massi…

> Most companies overhired how is it possible for most companies to overhire? where did all those hires come from? maybe facebook doubled by poaching non-faang people, but where did the non-faang companies get all these extra hires from? > a lot of the people who are being laid off never would have had jobs since tech layoffs mostly affect eng, pm's, hr and a bit of management, it seems strange that these mostly well…

Most companies with lots of cash during the inflation years overhired, those workers left smaller or less profitable companies that do not pay as much. The population of engineers did not grow that significantly IMO.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by throwswaydollar »

twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

I used to use source tree. It's good

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by csomar »

nullspace wrote: post #30
twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

Trello is not really their product. They acquired that company.
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