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Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by bydlocoder »

onion2k wrote: post #29
bydlocoder wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be a blood bath. Postman "Labs", a company that produces a glorified cURL UI and some incoherent most likely useless tools around it received $433M investment at valuation of $2B and apparently has hundreds of employees. Current state of tech is not sustainable.

As always you have to remember that the public UI of a SaaS business is rarely telling the whole story about why the headcount is what it is, and without significantly deeper knowledge of everything the business is doing, including future products in development , it's really hard to say if there are too many people or not. Most engineers are not in a business to support the day to day running of an app. They're ther…

That's why I mentioned "incoherent and probably useless other tools". Apparently, they launched some sort of no-code tool for stringing APIs together but still not ready with their GraphQL client.

For reference, another company that sells developer tools, JetBrains, has around 2000 employees.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by tape_measure »

twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

I like Jira. I'm not a SWE, different kind of engineer.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by coding123 »

midoridensha wrote: post #19
bzhang255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.

Maybe they should work someplace better. It's like people saying the American automakers should have been bailed out just to save all the jobs: if those companies had been left to die, other automakers would have taken over their marketshare and expanded operations, hiring the unemployed workers and probably buying up a lot of factories, support companies, etc. Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in pl…

The better way than to waste everyone's time with comments like this is to start a company that competes. I bet you don't get very far. If you do, good for you, maybe you'll have a company in 20 years that people on hacker news says "Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in place just for the workers isn't good for the market in general." while you roll in your gold sheets at night.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by bydlocoder »

distrill wrote: post #23
bydlocoder wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be a blood bath. Postman "Labs", a company that produces a glorified cURL UI and some incoherent most likely useless tools around it received $433M investment at valuation of $2B and apparently has hundreds of employees. Current state of tech is not sustainable.

wow. i usually push back against the mindless "that's too many engineers what are they all doing XDDD" meme. but this is actually insane, i can't believe there's more than a single person working on postman.

They do have other tools with the word API in them but I kinda doubt their usefulness because of gems like "it will move you left on Gartner quadrant" all over Postman "Labs" website. Another reference point - WhatsApp had around 50 engineers when it was sold to Facebook.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

sensitivefrost wrote: post #11
thexumaker wrote: post #9

They’ve been a bit over bloated for a while and honestly too many better alternatives out there

They have doubled in size since 2020, but before that they were appropriately sized.

Last month I read an article saying they were still hiring big in R&D. I don't know what their financials are like but it still seemed odd for them to bucking the trend.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by jojobas »

twblalock wrote: post #12

They should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.

Jira products are not there to make developers happy, they are to make them work so that project managers are happy.

I haven't heard 10% as many complaints from project managers as I have from developers.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by andy_ppp »

twblalock wrote: post #26
bzhang255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.

9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. Does that mean they will lose their jobs? Yes. It's still the best outcome for the world and those people will get other jobs, hopefully making better products.

I think you’re confusing your opinion with reality, the truth is Jira (I presume this is your real complaint?) is fine and works well enough for most people they can just get on with it.
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