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Post by dang »

earlyam wrote: post #13

Some anecdata: I've seen a big increase in pro-Chinese commentors on the internet in the past year or so. HN especially. It keeps popping up in subtle ways. I'm not saying it's necessarily propaganda or psyops, but we'd be fools to believe China isn't doing that quite extensively. Hell, America does it; we just had a scandal where the military was doing that when they shouldn't have been.

The site guidelines specifically ask you not to post like this because (a) internet users are notoriously prone to such perceptions, (b) such perceptions are notoriously unreliable, and (c) it invariably leads to low-quality, repetitive discussion and eventually nasty flamewar. Nasty nationalistic/ethnic flamewar is particularly unwelcome here.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

If anyone cares, one reason why such perceptions are notoriously unreliable is that people generalize based on what they notice, and what they notice is conditioned by what they agree/disagree with, like/dislike, and so on: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

The truth is that HN is divided on divisive topics the same way that society at large is divided (or rather, societies at large, because this is also a highly international site, although mostly Western). You can't take the appearance of opposing views as signalling anything other than that a topic is divisive. As for perceptions of "HN is more X" or "HN is less X" - in my experience over many years, they're mostly random.

Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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Post by thephyber »

deafpolygon wrote: post #62
thephyber wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese government is homogenizing most of the population, not exterminating it. The same idiotic argument of “extermination” is used by some people in our society.

In a couple of generations, there won't be a Uighur people. That's more or less extermination, isn't it?

That word has a meaning. None of the definitions I see apply.

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Post by okamiueru »

worksonmine wrote: post #69
okamiueru wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who says your point of view is the correct one? The whole premise of this article is "believing misinformation". And on that note, it's also not "my point" either. But, let's also allow words to mean what they mean, shall we? Gullible, "easily deceived or duped", is not too off the mark to describe those who fall victim to misinformation. Especially so when it was generalized to a large population always including…

But your reply is in a context though so I can only assume it should be taken in context. Still here you refer to them as gullible from your perspective. I don't think they'd identify as gullible in their circle, and they call you gullible. Where can you even meet when that's your view of each other? Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're the gullible one?

Who is "them" to you? I'm referring to gullible people by the trait of being gullible. They are by definition gullible. Whether or not I'm within that group depends on the topic, though I'm sure for some, that I am. I don't think you understood that part of my argument. Or, maybe I didn't understand yours. In either case, it seems to me this is rather unproductive. Have a nice day.

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Post by georgeplusplus »

worksonmine wrote: post #58
georgeplusplus wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, what the OP you responded to wrote wasnt very compelling to begin with, However... It takes a sick kind of person to read through someone's comment history to determine where they fall politically so they can make judgements on their character, rather than what is written by the comment that sparked them to dig into their history.

Or just someone not sure if it's trolling. It's 2 clicks and a quick scroll. Breathe.

Nothing was said that a normal person would construe as trolling.

His post lacked substance, sure. That's about it.

But pat yourself on the back to normalizing profile stalking in an anonymous internet forum. Go you.

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Post by senttoschool »

phiy wrote: post #60
senttoschool wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HN especially. That's probably only me. I've been more pro-China on HN because I believe western media is spreading way too much anti-China propaganda. I believe it needs better balance. The truth is always somewhere in between the propaganda on both sides.

The anti-china sentiment is completely over the top. Especially in the last couple months. It is disinformation to say "both sides", but it is in some extent true. The real way to stop disinformation is teach information literacy, but that would stop propaganda being effective for everyone.

Propaganda is a powerful thing: https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/ame...

On both sides...

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Post by my_city »

flufferstutter wrote: post #42
my_city wrote: post #32

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I’m sure that makes the Uighur sleep better at night.

China has not invaded any country in decades, or imposed sanctions that have devasted the lives of millions in poor countries, unlike the West, led by the United States.
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