People really need to get better at spotting BS. That's true of CCP sponsored BS and FOX and everything else. Until then, we cannot have a real democracy. I am concerned it will take a generation as people do not learn but instead have to die out and be replaced by people who grew up in the new paradigm...
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Note that Uighurs are majority Muslim and they aren’t all being exterminated (certainly some are), but the primary efforts seem to be making that region and ethnicity much more similar in culture to Han-Chinese. It rings of the “white genocide” and “Jews will not replace us” slogans. This is quite the impressive paragraph. What are you even saying?
The Chinese government is homogenizing most of the population, not exterminating it. The same idiotic argument of “extermination” is used by some people in our society.
In a couple of generations, there won't be a Uighur people. That's more or less extermination, isn't it?
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No, I believe this was going to happen no matter what. It happened with the Japanese in the 80s/90s as well where American media vilified Japan because it thinks Japan will become more powerful than the US. China is trying to climb its way out of the "cheap labor" economy and into a developed economy. The US and the west are trying its hardest to prevent this from happening and this includes using every tactic possib…
1985 article: THE DANGER FROM JAPAN https://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/28/magazine/the-danger-from-...
Or 1986 Ron Howard comedy film with a Chinese/American title but about Japanese car manufacturers in the US:
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I find it funny to blame the "Russian organizers" as opposed to the thousands of American people who are members of the groups and showed up on the street to protest and fight. Do you think they were brainwashed for $200 in Facebook ad spend?
People en mass will always have the gullible. It's either "allowing a system that amplifies such misinformation", or "the actors exploiting it", that deserve blame. Why would you care to blame the gullible who don't know any better?
They don't need to be individually gullible at all - the causes they fight for are real and important to them, and the social schisms already exists. Outright misinformation is not necessary to drive a people apart, it just helps if you can get away with it.
Long-lasting societies have a complex dynamic of cohesive and repulsive forces between people - causes that unite them and causes that divide them. It only takes subtle nudges to move the balance, to de-emphasize compromise and stoke conflict. Modern internet surveillance makes it possible to do this with precision, like a finely monitored industrial process. We're not nearly at the end game yet and we don't know how to protect a society from this kind of attack.
The two-party system adds perverse intensives where you win by pushing people as far as possible to the extreme. Moving for conciliation and moderation is ceding ground to the other side.
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People en mass will always have the gullible. It's either "allowing a system that amplifies such misinformation", or "the actors exploiting it", that deserve blame. Why would you care to blame the gullible who don't know any better?
I think you're not giving them credit when claiming they're all gullible. Who says your point of view is the correct one? If we take the analogy to the pandemic with social media putting the stamp of approval on posts confirming their narrative, while flagging official .gov links. Then the so called gullible are simply normal people asking for open discussion. And some people on their high horses claim they're brainw…
> Who says your point of view is the correct one?
The whole premise of this article is "believing misinformation". And on that note, it's also not "my point" either.
But, let's also allow words to mean what they mean, shall we? Gullible, "easily deceived or duped", is not too off the mark to describe those who fall victim to misinformation. Especially so when it was generalized to a large population always including those more prone to being gullible in whatever context.
From your last paragraph, I don't think we disagree, but I suspect that what I wrote would come across more accurately, if it wasn't assumed to be inflammatory. In fact, my argument was that it wasn't the fault of "the gullible", because they will always be there, to some extent. But that the blame should perhaps be directed at those aiming to exploit it, or allow it.
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Then, again, it might just be a logical reaction to the fundamental political changes that have occurred in the PRC since Xi Jinping came to power in 2013, especially after he changed the constitution to remove term limits in 2018. Under his rule, private business has been increasingly marginalized, state security strengthened, public surveillance hugely magnified, and diplomacy changed from the prior Deng-era "taogu…
No, I believe this was going to happen no matter what. It happened with the Japanese in the 80s/90s as well where American media vilified Japan because it thinks Japan will become more powerful than the US. China is trying to climb its way out of the "cheap labor" economy and into a developed economy. The US and the west are trying its hardest to prevent this from happening and this includes using every tactic possib…
Under Xi Jinping China launched a series of security initiatives targeting outsiders. An emblematic case was that of Apple, whereby the Apple Book Store and iTunes Movie Store were abruptly shut down after prior legal approval.
"Apple Services Shut Down in China in Startling About-Face"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...
So, too, Wolf Warrior tactics against South Korea over China's anger at U.S. THAAD system, including the destruction of Lotte's entire business in China.
"One company [Lotte] is bearing the brunt of China's anger over U.S. missile system"
https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/news/china-lotte-thaad-sout...
Ironically, China adopted Wolf Warrior tactics in large part because the claim you make about the perceived threat of the U.S. treating China like Japan in the 1980s is now a commonplace cliche all over China, used to justify a host of aggressive policies. This hostile posture, overseen by Xi Jinping, has helped achieve the near impossible: political unanimity in the U.S. Congress against China.
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#67Max Headroom goes mainstream.
This tech will save the Murdochs, Sinclairs, every purveyor of infotainment, so much money. No more salaries for anchors. No more huge payouts to settle (sexual) harassment and descrimination lawsuits.
Agitprop like this will be automated, turnkey, ubiquitous:
Sinclair's Local News Anchors all Read Same Script https://youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo
So much potential. These are exciting times for trolls and grifters.
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#68Is there any proof that these posts are gaining any substantial reach or exposure, much less actually changing people's opinions?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're not giving them credit when claiming they're all gullible. Who says your point of view is the correct one? If we take the analogy to the pandemic with social media putting the stamp of approval on posts confirming their narrative, while flagging official .gov links. Then the so called gullible are simply normal people asking for open discussion. And some people on their high horses claim they're brainw…
> Who says your point of view is the correct one? The whole premise of this article is "believing misinformation". And on that note, it's also not "my point" either. But, let's also allow words to mean what they mean, shall we? Gullible, "easily deceived or duped", is not too off the mark to describe those who fall victim to misinformation. Especially so when it was generalized to a large population always including…
But your reply is in a context though so I can only assume it should be taken in context. Still here you refer to them as gullible from your perspective. I don't think they'd identify as gullible in their circle, and they call you gullible. Where can you even meet when that's your view of each other?
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're the gullible one?
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#70How much computing power is required to duplicate current news anchors and feed them a script?
The format is already perfected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo [Sinclair Broadcast controversy]