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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by roca »

narrator wrote: post #111
flangola7 wrote: post #48

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Less like a BLU-109 and more like a Death Star. Every offensive and defensive military tool will be utterly defeated. How do you fight against a cloud of self contained autonomous kill drones? Just look at what is happening in Ukraine with cheap drones precision dropping charges into open tank hatches and foxholes, and those are only basic off the shelf human steered drones! What happens when they are given a brain a…

You have your drones. You also have your own personal chatbot that tells you when to ignore instructions from super-persuader AIs that would get you to kill yourself , spend all your money, or fall madly in love with an LLM if you didn't have a personal chatbot to protect you from their persuasive capabilities.

What if your personal chatbot was subverted by the super-persuader, or was controlled by it from the beginning? Impossible to be sure.

We're going to have to stop talking to machines.

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Post by throwaway48495 »

LelouBil wrote: post #302
karmasimida wrote: post #297

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EU can ban generative AI if they want, and they might as well give up their place in this new wave of generative AI, which in reality, counting on EU's past records, they could and might go there, but it is stupid and suicidal regardless. But they CAN'T control it. You can't have cake and eat it. Eventually the technology will become so pervasive, that your ever query might go to a service that calls a service that c…

They aren't *banning* generative AI. They are making sure you can't say "the AI chose so" when a client asks you why they were rejected for a loan or something similar.

Funny. I was just filling my tax report and the reason for not accepting some of the deductions I still think I should be getting is "because the program said so". I live in EU. Perhaps the EU should first clean it's own porch before talking about what the private sector should do.

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Post by sokoloff »

shjake wrote: post #256
dwallin wrote: post #241

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It's a defense against the double spend problem. It minimizes potential timing issues that could allow someone to simultaneously taking out multiple credit lines without the ability to properly evaluate the risk.

Or rather it discourages people from attempting to apply at multiple places to get the best offer..

Typical rate shopping is not discouraged: https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/do-multiple-loan...

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Post by LeanderK »

OJFord wrote: post #170
corbulo wrote: post #103

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>Automated human classification without recourse nor transparency is what the EU is against. "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. The credit score system already in place in the US is frequently as arbitrary in some cases already. You get punished for just looking at it. I don't think I need to preach to HN about that (crypto money and all that). Does Europe do it much differently? Not an…

> The credit score system already in place in the US [...] Does Europe do it much differently? Yes, as far as I'm aware the US & Canada are unique in having 'a credit score' for people; elsewhere there may be agencies offering scoring services to lenders, but it's not something individuals ordinarily nor need to care about, and it's not 'their score' it's just that particular company's (Equifax's, or whoever) rating.…

yeah, german here. I know schufa exists but right now it's really barely relevant. I don't plan to take on large debt or something (I think that's what they are used for?) and I've never used it so far.

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Post by ilyt »

paulcole wrote: post #202
ilyt wrote: post #141

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Yes! Changing plug standard every 10 years and some cables that work with everything beats alternatives. Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.

> Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing. It basically does. USB-A, USB-C, Lightning, Micro-USB.

Lightning was introduced in 2012 lmao. Apple used other proprietary connectors before

Stop bullshitting. 4 wouldn't even cover connectors for apple stuff

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Post by ilyt »

Thiez wrote: post #285
ilyt wrote: post #139

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> Ideally, a weaker person would be able to use a tool to provide self defense in the most limited way possible without causing harm or damage to anyone other than the attacker. Landmines in the garden it is then. Hard to use offensively.

A shame if a child that accidentally threw a ball in your garden steps on them, or even just the overweight neighbours cat. Or a visitor stumbles on them duling a bbq. But such casualties are apparently a small price to pay for feeling safe.

Perfect use case for IoT mines and AI object/face recognition

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Post by worrycue »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #201
worrycue wrote: post #184

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Does the government really knows what the market wants in a standard? Some people will benefit from their standard being chosen as the winner. This is just corruption waiting to happen. It’s fine I guess if the choices are functionally identical (although that still leaves the issue of corruption if there is money involved) or the market has already clearly chosen what it wants by mass adopting a standard (USB-C has…

It's true that governments can overreach, and frequently do. What I'm saying those is that when it comes to enforcing standards, the basic ability of a government to do so is fine as it's commonly used for immensely beneficial reasons (as in, industries often want the government to regulate a standard and to sign international agreements regulating certain standards because it often makes it way easier to sell and tr…

What concerns me is the government’s ability to evaluate said merits and their responsiveness to market changes that would require a change in the standard. We have plenty of example where governments got it very wrong - see the USSR.

In this case it’s easy. But the next standard, should the the choice no longer be so clear cut between competing standards with their pros and cons. It would also be interesting to see how the EU determines when we should switch to a successor. Why should a bunch of old people in Brussels who in all likelihood can barely operate a smartphone be the ones deciding these matters?

There is also the issue of corruption - which is still fresh in my mind; see Qatar and the EU parliament. As such I rather nigh dictatorial power not be unnecessarily placed in the hands of governments.

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Post by shp0ngle »

taspeotis wrote: post #73
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

> This browser extension removes cookie warnings from almost all websites and saves you thousands of unnecessary clicks! https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

Note that this extension is owned by Avast, which is known to harvest user data; by installing this extension, you allow Avast to harvest all your browsing data.

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Post by shp0ngle »

xdrosenheim wrote: post #294
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

Blame the sites than needs to have a million cookies.

As others have linked, even the European Union organs themselves all show cookie banners.

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Post by wincy »

avianlyric wrote: post #252
lolinder wrote: post #189

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Malicious and lazy compliance are known problems with regulations that should be accounted for in advance. California's prop 65 passed in 1986, so by the time the EU was working on the GDPR they had more than 30 years of precedent for useless warning labels stamped on everything until they lose all meaning. Theoretically websites could choose to do better, but the EU should absolutely have predicted this outcome.

You know that prop 65 warnings don’t exist on products outside the US right? I’ve personally never seen one in the EU.

It’d be nice if the same were true for all the stupid cookie banners I don’t care about.
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