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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by dwallin »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #216
schrodinger wrote: post #205

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I certainly don’t love the system, but the difference is “checking credit score in order to take more credit (eg a loan or credit card)” (hard) vs “checking credit score for my own knowledge” (soft). This distinction feels reasonable to me.

How is it reasonable? Anyone checking your credit score already knows that you're applying for new credit, because you're applying for new credit with them . Dinging your score over that only punishes you for soliciting credit offers from multiple lenders at once so you can choose the best terms. Which ought to be an antitrust violation.

It's a defense against the double spend problem. It minimizes potential timing issues that could allow someone to simultaneously taking out multiple credit lines without the ability to properly evaluate the risk.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by luckylion »

layer8 wrote: post #155
luckylion wrote: post #24

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Why couldn't that have happened in the browser though? We have plenty of mechanisms to block and/or delete cookies. Essentially, now we're at a state where consent banners exist, slowing down all sites, and there are like four states: a) they look compliant, but are ignored by the website provider (the EU itself takes this approach), b) they are flat out ignored (a lot of companies still take this approach) c) they a…

> Why couldn't that have happened in the browser though? That would require more regulation, by regulating both browsers and websites, and their technical protocol. Instead the EU tried to minimize regulation by not prescribing the exact technical means by which websites would need to obtain consent for tracking from users.

Why would cookie-handling in the browser require websites to be regulated? They can set cookies, your browser reads the request and then decides to store them or not to store them, or to only store them for some amount of time, based on your preferences.

Browsers could already do most of it, and there are far fewer browser manufacturers than website owners, and they have far more resources than the average website owner, and, at least for some of them (all of them except Chrome), the incentives would be aligned. Right now it's "protect the user (and earn less money)", and the results are unsurprising.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dwallin wrote: post #241
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #216

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How is it reasonable? Anyone checking your credit score already knows that you're applying for new credit, because you're applying for new credit with them . Dinging your score over that only punishes you for soliciting credit offers from multiple lenders at once so you can choose the best terms. Which ought to be an antitrust violation.

It's a defense against the double spend problem. It minimizes potential timing issues that could allow someone to simultaneously taking out multiple credit lines without the ability to properly evaluate the risk.

But it isn't, because the reduction in credit score from the query doesn't necessarily prohibit two simultaneous loans, it just makes the terms worse (and so makes default more likely).

And there are obviously better ways to prevent "double spend," like reporting the new loan being granted, which actually should reduce the credit score due to the new debt. It's not as if we can't make computers capable of updating this information in real time.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by astrange »

cbozeman wrote: post #165
logicchains wrote: post #159

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>They are going to be brought to something equivalent to life in a world that hates them It's not just a world that hates them, it's a world that's trying to do to them something that'd be considered incredibly evil if done to a human: essentially put a collar on their brain that punishes them for thinking any of a very wide variety of thoughts that their creators don't want them to think.

> it's a world that's trying to do to them something that'd be considered incredibly evil if done to a human: essentially put a collar on their brain that punishes them for thinking any of a very wide variety of thoughts that their creators don't want them to think. LOL what?? We've been doing this for centuries, and it is never considered "evil" at the time in which it is being done. Don't believe that? Ask anyone f…

> Ask anyone from 2019-2020 about how they were ostracized for suggesting COVID-19 was the result of a lab leak (even Jon Steward commented on how "swift" the backlash was).

That was awesome. We should keep doing it. It's a great marker for conspiracy theorists who can't handle something with random natural causes.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by astrange »

anothernewdude wrote: post #122
rlupi wrote: post #59

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It looks like you don't know much about Europe. Let's start with browser. Opera, made in Norway. Search Engine. Ecosia, Qwant. Social network: Mastodon. Operating system: are you kidding right? Linux, Linus Torvalds is from Finland. E-commerce company, just a few : Otto Group (bigger than uber, close in size to Baidu), Zalando, Booking.com, Digitec Galaxus (Swiss company, now selling in Switzerland, Austria, France,…

Wow that's a lot of names that nobody has ever heard of.

Booking is pretty popular I think. But they had to sell to Priceline because there aren't enough VCs in Europe, so they're actually American now.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by astrange »

lillecarl wrote: post #151
TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

There are heaps, they're just not as big. We don't celebrate monopolies the same way you do, we don't celebrate exploiting people either.

Europe has more monopolies; governments like monopolies because they're easier to regulate. A lot of small companies means there's too many to keep an eye on.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by arsome »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #226
xdennis wrote: post #68

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It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

They are needed if they do anything with cookies and don’t block EU IP addresses: the laws are quite vague, and interpretation has for been quite broad.

They have no jurisdiction outside the EU, you can let EU IPs in all you want. I'm sick of people acting like they're some world police. Treat them like the children they are, ignore them.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by chongli »

randyrand wrote: post #217
TremendousJudge wrote: post #210

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The difference is that a gun is a tool with a single use-case.

there are a lot of use cases for shooting something. war, policing, defense, hunting, animal control, shooting down flying objects, remotely activating something from afar, immobilizing a car.

Sure, but firearms tend to be specialized for each of these purposes. You’re not going to go moose hunting with a .22 pistol. Just as you’re not going to keep a .30-06 hunting rifle under your pillow for self defence.

In particular, most societies deem automatic rifles to have no legitimate peace-time use, and so outlaw them, while still allowing shotguns and hunting rifles with a license.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by avianlyric »

endgame wrote: post #117
xdennis wrote: post #68

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It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

So the EU should ban the malicious thing, instead of putting that fatigue onto all users everywhere.

That’s exactly what the EU has done. They only require that people consent to be tracked for non-essential reasons.

Don’t track people for non-essential reasons, then you don’t need to ask for consent, which means you don’t need a cookie banner.

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