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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by mulmen »

scarface74 wrote: post #259
mulmen wrote: post #185

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Ah yes the “it will be different this time I promise” defense. Microsoft didn’t get divorced or have six jobs or even study ethics as an undergrad. It’s a corporation. Made up of the same kind of people at the same points in their careers as it has always been. In other words I get older but Microsoft stays the same age.

You really haven’t been paying attention to the change in strategy over the past decade when Microsoft was focused on “Windows everywhere”?

I have seen them change strategy, at least superficially. I just don’t believe they have changed their nature.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by nerdponx »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #268
DangitBobby wrote: post #267

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A very useful policy for malicious people.

In my experience, malicious people with high competency cover their ass with giant fig leaves. They don’t let it hang in the breeze.

Plenty of malicious people are incompetent!

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by nerdponx »

pluc wrote: post #254
anonuser123456 wrote: post #205

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Or it’s just a bug.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

The entire point of my post is that Hanlon's razor is not a useful prior when the malice would be in service of greed.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by scarface74 »

mulmen wrote: post #269
scarface74 wrote: post #261

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I’ve gone back to my 30 year class reunion. No I don’t still hold grudges against the people who picked on me as a short (still short) fat (I got better) kid with a computer who couldn’t talk to a girl if his life depended on it (I’m happily married). I really don’t think about it. We talk. We ask about family, etc

Did Microsoft attend its class reunion? Did it chat with Netscape about raising kids? Was it insufferably condescending while doing it? Did it go golfing with 3dfx? Did it cheat?

Well, do you see Apple and Microsoft arguing with each other like they did in the mid 90s?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by hinkley »

scarface74 wrote: post #258
hinkley wrote: post #253

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The tree remembers what the axe soon forgets. If you’re in a bar tomorrow and someone is picking a fight with you, and they say something that makes you realize that this person is someone you tormented, gloated over and whose life you tried to destroy. Do you think they’re not entitled to their rage? Do you think you should get a pass in life for wrecking other people’s childhoods without even an apology? Or do you…

Yes, because as a mature adult , I don’t still hold grudges about something that happened over 25 years ago. Are you the type of person that still refuses to use Google services because they cancelled Google Reader over a decade ago? And just like I had to learn to adapt and change my behavior after failure, so did MS when it lost out in mobile and was sued.

Google is only now starting to think about approaching the level of maliciousness Microsoft achieved at their zenith. And yes, people are starting to boycott Google because of it. They should.

But boycotting things specifically because Google keeps shutting down projects is not the same thing. Boycotting for that reason is because Google now has a reputation of being quitters, and betting on quitters is just dumb.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by hinkley »

scarface74 wrote: post #261
parasti wrote: post #189

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"I used to abuse people physically and/or emotionally in my early 20s but now I really hope I'm a different person" seems like a far fetched world view to conjure, to me. Do these people exist?

I’ve gone back to my 30 year class reunion. No I don’t still hold grudges against the people who picked on me as a short (still short) fat (I got better) kid with a computer who couldn’t talk to a girl if his life depended on it (I’m happily married). I really don’t think about it. We talk. We ask about family, etc

I thought about going to my tenth to do something like this, but two things happened. One, the people who organized our first reunion had not matured since high school. They waited until the last moment to invite a lot of people which meant anyone out of town (ie, who “made it”) wouldn’t be able to come. Two, I realized that forty percent of the people I cared about wouldn’t be there, because our social group spanned years. We had seniors when we were juniors, and when I was a senior we had a sophomore, who was the “king” of the group when my brother joined it when he was a sophomore. I wouldn’t get to see any of those people, and that bummed me out.

By the next reunion I realized I didn’t have anything to prove to any of them. I wasn’t interested. And they were still trying to select for locals. See also “Glory Days” by Bruce Springsteen: people who peaked in high school.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by hinkley »

mulmen wrote: post #266
hinkley wrote: post #207

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Something life or your friends should have taught you long ago: If you want to break cycles of abuse in your life, you need to realize and accept that you are not obligated to participate in anyone's redemption story arc but your own . There's a whole subclass of narcissists who play at being victims while controlling everything. Get out. Run. Do not look back.

Did you reply to the right comment? What am I supposed to be running from? How are you so certain my life experience and friends are inadequate?

Same thread, more applicable to GP. You can refute an argument or support an argument.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by mulmen »

scarface74 wrote: post #274
mulmen wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Microsoft attend its class reunion? Did it chat with Netscape about raising kids? Was it insufferably condescending while doing it? Did it go golfing with 3dfx? Did it cheat?

Well, do you see Apple and Microsoft arguing with each other like they did in the mid 90s?

How many of your high school classmates died before graduation?

Your analogy is flawed. Microsoft is a corporation, not a person.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by mulmen »

hinkley wrote: post #277
mulmen wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you reply to the right comment? What am I supposed to be running from? How are you so certain my life experience and friends are inadequate?

Same thread, more applicable to GP. You can refute an argument or support an argument.

I am GP? So I’m still confused as to your intent. Are you agreeing with or lecturing me?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by scarface74 »

hinkley wrote: post #275
scarface74 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because as a mature adult , I don’t still hold grudges about something that happened over 25 years ago. Are you the type of person that still refuses to use Google services because they cancelled Google Reader over a decade ago? And just like I had to learn to adapt and change my behavior after failure, so did MS when it lost out in mobile and was sued.

Google is only now starting to think about approaching the level of maliciousness Microsoft achieved at their zenith. And yes, people are starting to boycott Google because of it. They should. But boycotting things specifically because Google keeps shutting down projects is not the same thing. Boycotting for that reason is because Google now has a reputation of being quitters, and betting on quitters is just dumb.

Yes I’m sure that Google is going to have trouble convincing software engineers to come work for it at the compensation levels they offer …
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