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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by scarface74 »

parasti wrote: post #189
scarface74 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m about the same age as MS so I’m going to push the analogy. I was 26 in 2000. I hope to God I’m not the same person at 49 after 6 jobs, one failed marriage (and a 12 year current successful one), going through the real estate crash where I lost my shirt, etc. I really hope I’m not the same person I was in college in 1996

"I used to abuse people physically and/or emotionally in my early 20s but now I really hope I'm a different person" seems like a far fetched world view to conjure, to me. Do these people exist?

I’ve gone back to my 30 year class reunion. No I don’t still hold grudges against the people who picked on me as a short (still short) fat (I got better) kid with a computer who couldn’t talk to a girl if his life depended on it (I’m happily married).

I really don’t think about it. We talk. We ask about family, etc

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by l_theanine »

tanseydavid wrote: post #260
l_theanine wrote: post #248

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My salary doesn’t depend on it, it’s just in my portfolio. I’m just not an idiot… I do consulting and bill upwards of 300/hr worked in the DC area, with several decades of experience and a network built up along the way. I took this position thirty years ago too, my mind hasn’t changed except that young people feel like they’re clever or somehow intellectually valid for copy pasting a quote into a web forum.

Your continued series of replies seem to do nothing to bolster your argument about Microsoft. But at the same you elaborate in great (and unnecessary) detail about the level of success you have attained. BTW: I am hardly young. I am nearly ancient.

I'm not making an argument about Microsoft, but rather about the low regard I have for people who make inflammatory comments about companies online when there's human beings there doing all the work, affected by the negativity. It's just childish, and reeks of chronically online personalities.

Making a personal remark about me is plenty of reason for me to mention my success, since they implied that my perspective is somehow fueled entirely by some stock that I own. I have actual experience working alongside some MS people, and I have held that stock since 2013. So what? My opinion just goes out the window? That doesn't make much sense to me, I don't know about you...

The reason I associate that with youth is that young people often don't have a healthy portfolio or indeed any financial hygiene to speak of and seem to think that business is a zero sum game. We all benefit from the business world pushing things forward if we're holding stock in the most powerful companies. I'm hardly a supporter of the capitalist system, but I'll be damned if it's not going to work in my favor, since I understand how things are. My responsibility is to my family first. Had there been a revolution when I was younger, I'd have been among the first in line to change things, but it didn't happen.

I think I'm wasting my time in this thread, though.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by antifa »

l_theanine wrote: post #100
capableweb wrote: post #95

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Imagine being a malicious actor in this world of ours, where as long as you could make it look like a potential mistake, you can get away with whatever, and people on the internet will simply say "Sounds like Hanlon's Razor" and you're basically in the clear :shrug:

Imagine being someone who made a simple mistake, and people on some weird internet forum with no identity verification said "Oh, that guy must be malicious!" and you lose your job. How would you feel? It's justified, if I understand the point you're trying to make, right? Which is worse? Edit: Not that I expect much from here, but since there are a number of child(ish) replies, I might as well clarify this for the re…

Imagine Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown for the 99th time then some randos show up to defend Lucy saying some really obtuse and ignorant shit like it was "a simple mistake".

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by wkat4242 »

rejectfinite wrote: post #236
wkat4242 wrote: post #72

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Microsoft is very heavily lobbying organizations to use edge as a standard browser right now. They're doing the same to us. It's really annoying. They're hell-bent on increasing marketshare no matter what.

Lobbying? Please describe

Constantly hanging out with the senior management praising Edge. As they say "Microsoft is better at talking to your boss than you do".

Also their consultants are trained to be shills. Every time we have a call with them they will remark about it if we use another browser, even though their area of expertise has nothing to do with it.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by curtisblaine »

dijit wrote: post #54
behnamoh wrote: post #48

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> Support the prevailing web-standards or lose me as a customer. Respectfully, a lot of developers don't care about losing a small percentage of users. They will get to focus their effort on Chrome users and increase the service quality for them.

That's fine. If they can't manage to make a service work using appropriate web standards then I don't think I trust them with hosting a service, my data, or to create adequate products anyway. -- I mean, what other corners are being cut?

It's quite probable that they are not cutting the corners that make them money and they're cutting (or might cut) everything else. After all, Firefox Nightly's share is a rounding error for Teams (and its users probably not Team's target anyway)

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by mulmen »

hinkley wrote: post #207
mulmen wrote: post #193

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If you believe in incarceration as rehabilitation then they do. But I don’t recall Microsoft ever serving time.

Something life or your friends should have taught you long ago: If you want to break cycles of abuse in your life, you need to realize and accept that you are not obligated to participate in anyone's redemption story arc but your own . There's a whole subclass of narcissists who play at being victims while controlling everything. Get out. Run. Do not look back.

Did you reply to the right comment?

What am I supposed to be running from?

How are you so certain my life experience and friends are inadequate?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by DangitBobby »

pluc wrote: post #254
anonuser123456 wrote: post #205

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Or it’s just a bug.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

A very useful policy for malicious people.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by anonuser123456 »

DangitBobby wrote: post #267
pluc wrote: post #254

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

A very useful policy for malicious people.

In my experience, malicious people with high competency cover their ass with giant fig leaves. They don’t let it hang in the breeze.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by mulmen »

scarface74 wrote: post #261
parasti wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I used to abuse people physically and/or emotionally in my early 20s but now I really hope I'm a different person" seems like a far fetched world view to conjure, to me. Do these people exist?

I’ve gone back to my 30 year class reunion. No I don’t still hold grudges against the people who picked on me as a short (still short) fat (I got better) kid with a computer who couldn’t talk to a girl if his life depended on it (I’m happily married). I really don’t think about it. We talk. We ask about family, etc

Did Microsoft attend its class reunion? Did it chat with Netscape about raising kids? Was it insufferably condescending while doing it? Did it go golfing with 3dfx? Did it cheat?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by hinkley »

tanseydavid wrote: post #255
hinkley wrote: post #108

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You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults. The guy who bullied your friend in college is probably still a monster today. And here you have a company full of people who were older than that (including grad and doctorate students). If he says the sky is blue you look up. It’s probably cloudy.

>> You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults. It is not a direct comparison -- it is a metaphor. The degree of literal interpretation here is stunning to me.

You’re trying to apologize for sociopathic past behavior by drawing on the sympathy society has for children.

Don’t pretend like we’re the ones being unreasonable. That’s gaslighting.

See also deflection for dummies.

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