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Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by concordDance »

f6v wrote: post #44

Is the issue that Meta and Google comply with the law(turning in the data to crime investigators), or that the law itself is medieval? I mean, both are concerning in their own way. But the latter seems like a much much bigger problem.

As long as there is diversity of people and jurisdictions the law will vary from place to place.

What is legal and acceptable in one place is illegal and abhorrent elsewhere.

Until we have a homogenous global population and one world government there will be laws you disagree with and wont want enforced.

Edit: Genuinely confused by the downvotes here. Anyone care to take the time to explain?

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by croes »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #50
f6v wrote: post #44

Is the issue that Meta and Google comply with the law(turning in the data to crime investigators), or that the law itself is medieval? I mean, both are concerning in their own way. But the latter seems like a much much bigger problem.

> comply with the law What concerns you about this?

Because they are good laws and bas laws, so some requests shouldn't be given in too easily.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by mulmen »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #50
f6v wrote: post #44

Is the issue that Meta and Google comply with the law(turning in the data to crime investigators), or that the law itself is medieval? I mean, both are concerning in their own way. But the latter seems like a much much bigger problem.

> comply with the law What concerns you about this?

The only concerning thing to me is when tech companies volunteer information to LEO. They should at least demand a warrant.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by mulmen »

croes wrote: post #62
diceduckmonk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> comply with the law What concerns you about this?

Because they are good laws and bas laws, so some requests shouldn't be given in too easily.

I’m not comfortable living in a world where FB and Google get to decide what laws are worth following.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by lapcat »

concordDance wrote: post #61
f6v wrote: post #44

Is the issue that Meta and Google comply with the law(turning in the data to crime investigators), or that the law itself is medieval? I mean, both are concerning in their own way. But the latter seems like a much much bigger problem.

As long as there is diversity of people and jurisdictions the law will vary from place to place. What is legal and acceptable in one place is illegal and abhorrent elsewhere. Until we have a homogenous global population and one world government there will be laws you disagree with and wont want enforced. Edit: Genuinely confused by the downvotes here. Anyone care to take the time to explain?

> As long as there is diversity of people and jurisdictions the law will vary from place to place.

You forgot from time to time. Abortion was legal in all of these places 1 year ago.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by ccouzens »

mulmen wrote: post #38
unmole wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is supposedly end to end encrypted. Does Meta claim anything similar about its other platforms?

Is it really? I always assumed it was like Zoom end to end encryption where one of the “ends” is a Facebook data center. How can a user prove the claim of end to end encryption?

> how can a user (without deep technical knowledge and skills) prove the claim of end to end encryption?

Checking to see if investigations include evidence from messages on these platforms excepting:

Messages sent by the user to someone who distributes them further

Or investigators getting control of the phone.

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WhatsApp stands up to that test.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by aww_dang »

The framing is inflammatory. What most people can agree upon is that the surveillance state is out of control.

I'm sure I'll be flamed into oblivion here, but it is worth considering the headline from the perspective of the anti-abortionists. If we cannot empathize or attempt to understand those who disagree, what is the point of having a discussion?

"FB and Google hand over user data, help to prosecute baby killers"

Reasonable people can disagree on the topic of abortion or at what stage of pregnancy it is acceptable. HN is not the place where I want to have that discussion. It has already been explored at depth elsewhere.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Post by concordDance »

jeroenhd wrote: post #34
lelanthran wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons. Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? Secondly, if the abortion is illegal, it's not unusual for the state to prosecute someone when the investigation of that person reveals other crimes. What would yo…

> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape a…

> I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that.

I'm not sure this principle is a good one. Almost everyone had probably broken a law or two (yes, this meane there are too many bad laws, let me know if youve an idea of how to solve that), so by investigating someone for some random thing they haven't done you've got a good chance of finding something. This de facto gives imprisonment powers to the police and prosecutors office, giving plenty of opportunity for corruption.

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