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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by mytailorisrich »

CharlesW wrote: post #102
mytailorisrich wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model in question posed for nude pictures in Playboy... The whole 'controversy' is pure spin in an age when everything has to be controversial.

> The model in question posed for nude pictures in Playboy... This is the problem. You're implying it's okay because she asked for it, when the unlicensed reproduction of Disney IP would be treated very differently.

Well the copyright holder may indeed have something to say about it.

But I have a hard time believing that there is anything morally wrong with using a cropped version of such picture for technical and scientific research... that's just looking for controversy where there is none.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by twodave »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #144
twodave wrote: post #131

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Evidence? Why would I need any? There is no unethical origin of that photo, as the article claims there is. The burden isn't on me to prove non-existence, that's silly. But fair enough, I've clearly missed a bit of context. I think my overall point still stands, though. Though I personally think calling that cropped photo "pornographic" is a stretch, it's not an image I would have selected or personally find appropri…

In general, try and do some minimal research about the topic you are commenting on before coming in and speaking with authority about what is or isn't the case, especially about something somewhat sensitive and (unfortunately in this case) politically charged. It helps keep the quality of the conversations here somewhat acceptable, and promotes intellectual rigor and curiosity where its needed most. Its not a huge de…

I never spoke with any authority. I'm just another name on the Internet. In my originally comment I intentionally didn't speak in concrete terms about whether it's appropriate or not for that photo to be used (I actually personally believe it isn't appropriate). I simply stated based on my reading (which was enough to satisfy me that Lena Sodersburg wasn't exploited by Playboy) that the photo isn't unethically-sourced as the article title implies, and that that fact doesn't actually hinge on whether she changed her mind later or not or whether people have a problem with its use today or not. I'd suggest you read my actual words and not try to attach more meaning than there really is.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by CydeWeys »

daneel_w wrote: post #70
CydeWeys wrote: post #14

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Dude, it's literally porn. This is not hard.

It's not pornography. The full image is erotic in its nature. The cropped image aligns with pretty much any other non-nude glamour photography.

This is from a shoot in literally the most well known and influential pornographic magazine of all time. Y'all don't even know what the word means if you don't think Playboy centerfold shoot qualifies.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by drabbiticus »

chillingeffect wrote: post #156
drabbiticus wrote: post #146

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It feels like you and many other commenters have missed the broad general point to focus on the proverbial trees. I am replying to this comment because it is at the top of the HN comments at the time of this reply. It is a part of computing history that computer scientists at a respected educational institution chose to use a cropped version of a nude Playboy image as part of a test suite for the development of JPEG.…

>Imagine for a moment that computer science was instead historically dominated by gay men, and that they had decided to use images from gay pornography as part of the JPEG test suite. Mott and Bailey. This image is not pornography. It's a tasteful head shot. You're introducing any discussion of pornography. >[minor point - if you are a legal stickler, use of the Lena image was also done in infringement of copyright.…

> Mott and Bailey. This image is not pornography. It's a tasteful head shot. You're introducing any discussion of pornography.

Mott and Bailey. I can also name drop logical fallacies to no purpose. This image, though cropped, is from Playboy and the full image features a clearly nude women shot from the back and exposing her buttocks. Your quibble over a specific categorization again misses the forest for the trees. Women are saying that this image makes them feel uncomfortable due to its origins, and there is no technical reason that it needs to remain in the test set or the curricula. There are many suitable alternatives that would not have this problem.

>>[minor point - if you are a legal stickler, use of the Lena image was also done in infringement of copyright. > > If you are a legal stickler, or even just support basic rights, fair use is integral to the research process. [1]

Honestly the smart thing to do here is to not engage with your point, as again, it is minor and not actually relevant to the thrust of the conversation. If you want to treat my decision to not push further into this as a moral win, enjoy it.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by luckylion »

CydeWeys wrote: post #163
daneel_w wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not pornography. The full image is erotic in its nature. The cropped image aligns with pretty much any other non-nude glamour photography.

This is from a shoot in literally the most well known and influential pornographic magazine of all time. Y'all don't even know what the word means if you don't think Playboy centerfold shoot qualifies.

Are you from a rural community in the US by any chance? I don't think I know anyone who would classify the Playboy as porn. There's a difference between erotic photography and pornography.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by drabbiticus »

chillingeffect wrote: post #88

who is in this picture? how do we know this is ethically-sourced? is this revenge-porn by an angry ex of person in the picture?

Low-effort FUD. This is an image of the author, who is a tenure track assistant professor in Denmark. Your comment is not constructive, is not based on any evidence, and can be addressed through simply clinking through 1 link in the OP.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by nix23 »

luckylion wrote: post #165
CydeWeys wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from a shoot in literally the most well known and influential pornographic magazine of all time. Y'all don't even know what the word means if you don't think Playboy centerfold shoot qualifies.

Are you from a rural community in the US by any chance? I don't think I know anyone who would classify the Playboy as porn. There's a difference between erotic photography and pornography.

When i was in the Swiss Military porn was a ~no-go, but we got Playboy for free..and the NZZ and some other papers.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by throwaway920333 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #143
throwaway920333 wrote: post #108

It used to make no sense to me how people would put so much effort into things like this that don’t matter. Yes, the photo is originally from Playboy, but most people don’t even know that because it’s cropped. It’s just a picture of a woman’s face. This and things like renaming master to main I now see as examples of the foot-in-the-door strategy[1]. Get people and teams to agree to a small request like changing thei…

This is a slippery slope fallacy

You can call it a fallacy, but it's scientifically proven to work (see the reference in the parent comment).

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by alar44 »

iaseiadit wrote: post #129
twodave wrote: post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

The image is offensive because, as an photo sourced from a “men’s magazine”, it’s a reminder that mostly men worked on developing image compression and jpeg technology in the past, and this could make women feel left out or uncomfortable today. Seems motivated by political correctness, not any actual injustice, but perhaps it is time for a new image after this many years.

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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by alar44 »

iameli wrote: post #121

Lena has said, in the linked video, that she would prefer her picture stop being used in this way. That ought be a sufficient condition for us, as developers, to stop using it. I'm distressed to find comment threads here are talking about copyright or complaining about "virtue signalling." You don't have to agree with her to respect her wishes.

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