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That article doesn't support the headline. The closest it gets is saying nobody asked her beforehand, but she doesn't say after the fact that she wants people to stop. Meanwhile, from the people who actually bothered to talk to her[1]: > In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said. This whole situation reminds m…
Did you watch the video? She said that she would like to retire from having her picture used in this way.
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She supports the movement (started by other people) to retire the image from tech, but she wasn’t particularly bothered by the use of the photo, she has said so in multiple interviews. “In 1988, she was interviewed by some Swedish computer related publication, and she was pleasantly amused by what had happened to her picture.” http://www.lenna.org/
Because we all know that opinions are static and can't possibly have changed over the span pf 35 years.
It can also be true that she is both proud of and unbothered by the image, and also supports the movement to retire it from tech because of the social implications. Both opinions can be true at the same time, right? It is not a requirement that she hold any regret for her to be in favor of scientists making more professional choices and setting a better example, right?
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
The image is offensive because, as an photo sourced from a “men’s magazine”, it’s a reminder that mostly men worked on developing image compression and jpeg technology in the past, and this could make women feel left out or uncomfortable today. Seems motivated by political correctness, not any actual injustice, but perhaps it is time for a new image after this many years.
It’s pretty misinformed to suggest mostly men worked on JPEG technology.
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#154Lena's reappropriative reestablishment will be a clarion call for progress of women in computer science. After they light the fire, clean-looking male CS professors and open-sorcerer's with cute beards (who by then will have traded in the preferred pronouns blazon of woke supremacy with something even 'cooler') will join the call and show their women-saving prowess (because they definitely need their saving)--by replacing their profile pictures with those of Lena, or photoshopping themselves in miniature aside Lena in ancient-Egyptian-worshipper-to-divine-goddess style. And so the perverted cycle, of ethically priapismic virtue signaling, continues. I guess sexual selection in information society is destined to lead to ever more tumescently elaborate yet essentially idempotent/useless displays of...whatever this is.
But, nice pic. I particularly like how he's captured the smile, given it his own twist, and the dash of magnetic charm leaping out of his eyes is set off by his moustache. He he haw. ;p ;) xx;p
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Didn’t realize the model doesn’t want people using it. That holds more weight in my mind than the fact that it was in playboy.
It's not really up to models to decide what their pictures gets used for though. Why should this be different? From what I gather it's not because she's uncomfortable with it being used, it's because of controversy other people have drummed up: > When I asked her if she had heard anything about the recent controversy around her image, she seemed alarmed at the thought that she could have a part in hurting or discoura…
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#156I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…
It feels like you and many other commenters have missed the broad general point to focus on the proverbial trees. I am replying to this comment because it is at the top of the HN comments at the time of this reply. It is a part of computing history that computer scientists at a respected educational institution chose to use a cropped version of a nude Playboy image as part of a test suite for the development of JPEG.…
Mott and Bailey. This image is not pornography. It's a tasteful head shot. You're introducing any discussion of pornography.
>[minor point - if you are a legal stickler, use of the Lena image was also done in infringement of copyright.
If you are a legal stickler, or even just support basic rights, fair use is integral to the research process. [1]
[1] https://lib.asu.edu/news/research/why-does-fair-use-matter-r...
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That class of thinking is exactly what she should have considered, though I'd have phrased it more generally: "These photos will not be under my control, therefore they could show up anywhere at anytime in the future, and there's potentially nothing I can do about it."
Why are you doubling down on your assumption that this is about Lena without you knowing what actually happened? What makes you assume she didn’t know full well the image was not under her control? What makes you assume control over the image is even a relevant issue here? The issue and the debate surrounding this image has almost nothing to do with how Lena feels about the image, and was neither initiated nor pursue…
However, the way that some have seized on it, and then interacted with others in their communities is ... neither polite nor reasonable.
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Contrast that case with this one: https://www.boredpanda.com/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-ph... Why is it that in the former, everyone says you're a horrible person who deserves to be cancelled if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture, but in the latter, everyone says it's a great thing if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture?
I love how mostly liberal(and good) viewpoints about the badness of body shaming go out the window when it comes to their enemies. Whether it was about his weight, or penis or hand size. Heck, there was even a popular statue made of a nude trump with a micropenis which people were lining up to have their picture taken with.
Turnabout is fair play. If Trump doesn't want people to make fun of him for his physical qualities, he shouldn't do the same for others.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/trump-women-i...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-protest...
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That class of thinking is exactly what she should have considered, though I'd have phrased it more generally: "These photos will not be under my control, therefore they could show up anywhere at anytime in the future, and there's potentially nothing I can do about it."
Why are you doubling down on your assumption that this is about Lena without you knowing what actually happened? What makes you assume she didn’t know full well the image was not under her control? What makes you assume control over the image is even a relevant issue here? The issue and the debate surrounding this image has almost nothing to do with how Lena feels about the image, and was neither initiated nor pursue…
Three loaded questions in a row. I think you're reading more into my comments than I stated or intended. I'm not assuming anything, just answering a question and pointing out that regardless of whether she thought it through or not, the the photo was not produced or distributed unethically. The title is literally "Ethically Sourced Lena Picture," which implies the original was sourced unethically. That's all I'm arguing. The words we use matter, and I'd like to be able to point out when the words don't match reality without folks thinking they need to give me a lesson in empathy.
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Evidence? Why would I need any? There is no unethical origin of that photo, as the article claims there is. The burden isn't on me to prove non-existence, that's silly. But fair enough, I've clearly missed a bit of context. I think my overall point still stands, though. Though I personally think calling that cropped photo "pornographic" is a stretch, it's not an image I would have selected or personally find appropri…
You assumed and claimed falsely that Lena regrets the “business transaction” with the photo. I asked for evidence of that. You claimed this wasn’t about ethics and framed it as only about Lena. I asked for evidence of that. You could maybe use some evidence on account of my belief that your claims above are not true.