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Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by smt88 »

zirgs wrote: post #46
ben_w wrote: post #31

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PGP tells you you're talking to an entity which could set up PGP, it doesn't help you determine if the account ben_w is merely one of many government sock puppet accounts trying to push a specific meme into the minds of the general population. Knowing who to trust… was already hard-to-impossible with just normal social media; cheap LLMs will definitely make this harder, as more groups will be able to afford what was…

So we need to go back to talking to people irl. And basically assume that anything you read online is not written by real people unless proven otherwise.

> So we need to go back to talking to people irl

This is a fundamental breakdown of society. It is literally societal collapse. It's not going to happen. We'd give up the telephone and even the telegraph.

> assume that anything you read online is not written by real people unless proven otherwise

You can't prove otherwise. It's literally impossible without watching a human write it and publish it, and even then you'd have to compare it to what you saw them type.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by wankle »

ajani wrote: post #52

We will get better at using ML systems. I find myself regenerating chatGPT's responses just to see if it generates similar responses. I ask it questions phrased differently to see if it is consistent. Discussing what code needs to do before asking it to implement it. And I get tremendous use out of it. Electricity must've been scary when it was invented (harnessed?).

Electricity is a form of energy made by nature, AI is made by humans, who also invented nuclear weapons.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by mediaman »

impalallama wrote: post #51
msm_ wrote: post #35

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> Uber's surge pricing algorithm caused prices to skyrocket in the middle of emergencies like shootings. [1] Not trying to defend corporations benefitting from tragedies, but isn't this just how a market works usually? There are only so many Uber drivers, you either get surge pricing or just no taxis are available (and scared people refreshing their phones in hope somebody picks up their ride instead of just deciding…

Theres a term for this kinda of "supply and demand" profiteering and its called price gouging and its explicitly illegal in many states so in times of emergency so you aren't suddenly getting absurd %1000 percent up charges buying basic necessities before a hurricane. https://www.ncsl.org/financial-services/price-gouging-state-... .

There's an alternative view on what some call "price gouging."

The idea is that the market is providing a strong incentive for you to figure out how to get bottled water to the disaster zone. This is wildly unpopular: people view it as capitalists profiteering off a disaster. And it's true, they are.

In response, people demand prohibition of price gouging.

But the result is a lack of product availability. For example, one study linked anti-gouging laws with limited product availability during the pandemic. [1]

To take the example of the increase in costs of goods leading to a hurricane: there is a risk that the hurricane will veer off path, and all the extra goods will just sit, unbought. The anticipation of high prices causes vendors to logistically stage larger quantities of goods to the market. Mandated 'normal' prices lead to scarcity.

So ultimately we're left with a choice: do we prevent price gouging, and content ourselves with lack of product knowing that nobody made an 'unfair' dollar? Or do we let price gouging happen, knowing it'll result in better product availability and reduce hoarding?

[1] http://journal.apee.org/index.php?title=Parte1_2020_Journal_...

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

smt88 wrote: post #80
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #73

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> This technology will kill all digital information exchange. ....actually, you know what? I think that might be the best possible case scenario for humanity as a whole.

So you don't want to be able to call your relatives with certainty? You don't want to read what's going on that isn't right in front of your face? Even local news would become unreliable.

What makes you so sure it is reliable now? Or in the past for that matter? The same dynamics of trust existed before as exist now, it's just that we have a lot more sources than we used to.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by lumost »

mguerville wrote: post #68
kgwgk wrote: post #48

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> If Uber didn't surge-price during emergencies, the Uber drivers wouldn't disappear. They would disappear from Uber if they could negotiate a much better price on the curbside.

And I believe there's an entire subgroup of Uber drivers that monitors the current rates and opts to drive only when there's a good enough surge, thereby dynamically creating more supply.

Supply is much less elastic than that. For a short randomized surge of 2 hours, how many new drivers are going to actually come into the road? How many of the rides will complete at that price? How long will the surge last?

No one is dropping what they are doing and commuting an hour for a 2 hour surge. Odds are the surge won’t be present when the drivers arrive.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by bakuninsbart »

a_cardboard_box wrote: post #64
DebtDeflation wrote: post #40

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>"what if I'm nothing more than a machine that uses tons of statistical learning to decide my own next move?" What if you're not even determining your next move? Sabine Hossenfelder did an episode on Superdeterminism that considered this possibility - that you have no free will, that your every decision and action was fully determined at the moment of the Big Bang, and that your conscious mind is merely observing the…

If our consciousness is merely observing the universe, why do our physical mouths talk about the consciousness we experience? It sure seems like our consciousness is affecting the material world.

That's not really what the idea of determinism excluding free will is about: Let's assume for a second that the Big Bang is the singular starting point of the universe. The Big Bang causes the first things to exist or move. Everything else exists in a cause-effect-relationship with this first move, and we could imagine the whole history of the universe as a directed graph of causes and effects, with Earth, living beings, brains and consciousness being part of this inconceivably complex graph.

If that was the case, then it makes sense that we do not have free will in the Christian sense, we are not really responsible for our actions. If it isn't the case it might well mean there are things that aren't caused by anything, which would be really weird as well.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by Qwertysjsjs »

First of, you don't add the spoiler warning AFTER you spoiled it...

Besides that I know quite a few doctors who believe in homeopathy and don't understand statistics.

One doctor suggested pineapple enzymes. Expensive no study which would proof it's effectiveness and the only study had enzyme values 10x higher than the pills.

We are genuine not a smart society.

And I'm looking forward to have a better doctor who at least learns and gets better.

And yes controversial topics corona: I'm not even talking here about people who disagree on research paper I had discussions with people who not even read there own sources or believed a 80year old heart doctor over virologist.

We are dumb.

My father said once than EVs are stupid because the copper will be used up by the engines while having electric motors inachines like wood splitter or a table saw were he never ever had to replace copper wiring ...

Chatgpt will change the world because it is the best ui I ever saw and it will only get better and better every single day.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by blooalien »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #70
idopmstuff wrote: post #66

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I think that OP is somewhat naive with some of these examples. > Or some idiot MBA type uses these AIs to optimise some business process and the AI decides dumping radioactive waste in the ocean is the best way to do it. The idea that a relatively simple AI (i.e. non-AGI) will have so much control over a system that it can get to the point where radioactive waste is being dumped feels outlandish to me. That would inv…

> there are still going to be plenty of safeguards for things like this for the foreseeable future. There aren't even safeguards for these things now. Humans routinely do what a computer tells them to, even if it makes no sense. Case in point: all the times people have listened to their GPS when it told them to turn into a river. Remember: the original AI is the organization. How often do organizations make horrible…

> "Humans routinely do what a computer tells them to, even if it makes no sense."

I have had humans vehemently refuse to accept their own companies' receipt and a bank statement as proof of a payment because the computer in front of them does not show a payment on record … as if the computer isn't even capable of having faulty data inputted (or deleted) by a human. What's even worse is when you then ask to speak with a manager, and they back up the original idiot's decision because "Computer says…"

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by sylware »

shagie wrote: post #67
sylware wrote: post #55

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You cannot get a OPEN_API_KEY with a noscript/basic (x)html browser as far as I know.

Sign up for an account, go to https://platform.openai.com/account/api-keys and create an API key. The raw curl (or python, or node.js - or other those are just the samples) are browserless.

"You need to enable JavaScript to run this app.", I am using links2.

Any "anonymous", public and severely rate limited keys?

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