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Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by impalallama » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:21 PM UTC

msm_ wrote: post #35

phailhaus wrote: post #20

This post seems to go a long way to make the following point: > So as I see it, the threat of modern AIs isn't them becoming self-aware and going rogue and deciding to kill humanity. Rather, I fear it will be put into critical positions and will start making stupid decisions that are harmful to humans or humanity. Yep, that's almost certainly the case. AI will be put in charge of "boring" decisions, but will have no…

> Uber's surge pricing algorithm caused prices to skyrocket in the middle of emergencies like shootings. [1] Not trying to defend corporations benefitting from tragedies, but isn't this just how a market works usually? There are only so many Uber drivers, you either get surge pricing or just no taxis are available (and scared people refreshing their phones in hope somebody picks up their ride instead of just deciding…

Theres a term for this kinda of "supply and demand" profiteering and its called price gouging and its explicitly illegal in many states so in times of emergency so you aren't suddenly getting absurd %1000 percent up charges buying basic necessities before a hurricane.

https://www.ncsl.org/financial-services/price-gouging-state-....

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by ajani » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

We will get better at using ML systems. I find myself regenerating chatGPT's responses just to see if it generates similar responses. I ask it questions phrased differently to see if it is consistent. Discussing what code needs to do before asking it to implement it. And I get tremendous use out of it.

Electricity must've been scary when it was invented (harnessed?).

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by phailhaus » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

msm_ wrote: post #35

phailhaus wrote: post #20

This post seems to go a long way to make the following point: > So as I see it, the threat of modern AIs isn't them becoming self-aware and going rogue and deciding to kill humanity. Rather, I fear it will be put into critical positions and will start making stupid decisions that are harmful to humans or humanity. Yep, that's almost certainly the case. AI will be put in charge of "boring" decisions, but will have no…

> Uber's surge pricing algorithm caused prices to skyrocket in the middle of emergencies like shootings. [1] Not trying to defend corporations benefitting from tragedies, but isn't this just how a market works usually? There are only so many Uber drivers, you either get surge pricing or just no taxis are available (and scared people refreshing their phones in hope somebody picks up their ride instead of just deciding…

We're specifically referring to an emergency here. It's not "better" to have taxis around if they cost a thousand dollars. That's equivalent to them not being accessible. The goal is to get people out, but the algorithm only understands regular market operation.

These are the sorts of boring AI mistakes I'm talking about: in every other case, the market algorithm works. But suddenly, you have it price-gouging terrified customers trying to flee a tragedy. It doesn't know!

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by pixl97 » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

ankit219 wrote: post #23

This article is weird. It takes examples from science fiction, and makes them as plausible cases as to what an AI could do in the future. These kind of things need to stop. This analogy of Blindsight tries to prove a point by association, and create a sort of fear, the negative case which has no basis in reality[1]. Granted it calls them baseless towards the end, but there is a very clear analogy to be made. Ideally,…

>People did not go around spreading fear about controlling electricity because you could die if you touch a raw electric wire passing current.

Please sir, forgive me for saying the following statement before hand...

What in the holy fuck are you talking about? Have we forgot the debate around Edison and Topsy the elephant?

I only say this with such an extreme tone because everyone around from then is dead and you're engaging in a rewrite of history yourself by selectively forgetting/ignoring all documented debates from that time.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by sylware » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:31 PM UTC

shagie wrote: post #26

sylware wrote: post #2

Yesterday, I got commented x86_64_avx assembly code instead of that horrible c++ code for a vectorized quicksort for numbers. (Somebody did that for me, as access to chatgpt is hostile to noscript/basic (x)html browsers). It seems "it" is kind of good at sketching assembly from high level languages.

You can access the GPT backends with straight forward curl commands. curl https://api.openai.com/v1/completions \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -H "Authorization: Bearer $OPENAI_API_KEY" \ -d '{ "model": "code-davinci-002", "prompt": "# Python 3 \ndef remove_common_prefix(x, prefix, ws_prefix): \n x[\"completion\"] = x[\"completion\"].str[len(prefix) :] \n if ws_prefix: \n # keep the single whitespace as pref…

You cannot get a OPEN_API_KEY with a noscript/basic (x)html browser as far as I know.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by kh_hk » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:36 PM UTC

mark_l_watson wrote: post #27

kh_hk wrote: post #14

Makes me think of Solaris too

That is interesting, please elaborate! BTW, I have watched both Solaris movies many times, and like the book. Awesome SF.

[spoiler alert]

An entity probing humans using our emotions and memories and generating fractal nonsense as a byproduct

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by ankit219 » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:36 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #54

ankit219 wrote: post #23

This article is weird. It takes examples from science fiction, and makes them as plausible cases as to what an AI could do in the future. These kind of things need to stop. This analogy of Blindsight tries to prove a point by association, and create a sort of fear, the negative case which has no basis in reality[1]. Granted it calls them baseless towards the end, but there is a very clear analogy to be made. Ideally,…

>People did not go around spreading fear about controlling electricity because you could die if you touch a raw electric wire passing current. Please sir, forgive me for saying the following statement before hand... What in the holy fuck are you talking about? Have we forgot the debate around Edison and Topsy the elephant? I only say this with such an extreme tone because everyone around from then is dead and you're…

I am not that familiar with the whole story, though I know it is in popular culture in US. From what I remember, it was about a bad behaving elephant who was euthanized publicly first by cyanide with electrocution as a backup. This was rumored to be a demonstration of AC current, but not as familiar with it. The story seemed cruel when I first read it, but did not pursue it in detail.

I am probably wrong about electricity, in my mind I was referring to decade of 1910s and 1920s. There were debates no doubt, but were they as polarizing as the ones we have today? Newer things are scary, but what we have today is downright fearmongering.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by weatherlite » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:39 PM UTC

DebtDeflation wrote: post #40

friggeri wrote: post #33

> Most "AI"s would be better called "Machines that use tons of statistical learning to decide their next move". ChatGPT (and similar AI) were trained on several hundred gigabytes of data, so it has a lot of raw data to train on. Whenever I read this argument I ask myself with a certain amount of dread: "what if I'm nothing more than a machine that uses tons of statistical learning to decide my own next move?". Put di…

>"what if I'm nothing more than a machine that uses tons of statistical learning to decide my own next move?" What if you're not even determining your next move? Sabine Hossenfelder did an episode on Superdeterminism that considered this possibility - that you have no free will, that your every decision and action was fully determined at the moment of the Big Bang, and that your conscious mind is merely observing the…

While at first seemingly depressing, I find the concept actually quite comforting. Regardless if "free will" exists or not, it seems quite obvious to me that none of us chose our genetics nor the environment we grew up in (or to even be born at all). These two things dictate our entire lives. If that is the case it makes very little sense to carry guilt, regret, remorse and all kinds of negative baggage we hold on to.

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by pram » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:45 PM UTC

phailhaus wrote: post #20

This post seems to go a long way to make the following point: > So as I see it, the threat of modern AIs isn't them becoming self-aware and going rogue and deciding to kill humanity. Rather, I fear it will be put into critical positions and will start making stupid decisions that are harmful to humans or humanity. Yep, that's almost certainly the case. AI will be put in charge of "boring" decisions, but will have no…

This is in Idiocracy, the AI automatically fired all the Brawndo employees when demand decreased. Prophetic!

Re: ChatGPT and the AI Apocalypse

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Post by 13years » Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

zirgs wrote: post #37

13years wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is exceedingly disturbing. I have no answers. The potential solutions will probably be even more disturbing. I can imagine there will be proposals for everyone having some cryptographic ID to use the internet so all data creation can be tracked to an individual. The end of privacy and freedom.

In my country you already need it if you want to use government services or banking online.

Technology seems to exist on a bell curve in regards to freedom. Much of technology progression has been helpful in making individuals more free for a period of time. I feel that now as we go forward that it is increasingly being used for our control.