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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by petodo »

prepend wrote: post #58
petodo wrote: post #47

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you don't need whatsapp desktop app, just go to web.whatsapp.com in browser, why would anyone bother with app (which can't be even installed on work computers)

I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same. Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps. And I can install it on my work computer

Not sure how it can be easier to use than already supereasy web app, notifications work same via browser and you don't need to install anything, these are really no arguments for desktop app.

If you would say desktop app can do voice/video calls which you actually use (I don't, not gonna open laptop with closed lid and external display for that) I can understand using the desktop app, but for someone who doesn't need voice/video calls on computer and is fine with better camera in phone there is no benefit in installing additional dedicated app.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by garblegarble »

corobo wrote: post #68
singularity2001 wrote: post #54

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>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

> Just in time to replace that broken Siri oooh that would be awesome. I'm at a point where I only use it for timers and it even gets that wrong sometimes "I created an alarm named Timer for 01:30am".. oh yeah I can't just say "timer one hour thirty" because Siri hates British people and parses the numbers wrong lmao. Also can we get multiple timers yet? Why is a device more powerful than the computer we used to send…

It's supported multiple timers for quite some, er, time.

Try: "Hey Siri give me a 90 minute beef timer", "Hey siri give me a 25 minute chips timer"

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by satvikpendem »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #52
ddevault wrote: post #26

I'm very excited about the Digital Markets Act. Some things that excite me which are definitely in scope: - Interopability between walled gardens like messenger apps - Side-loading software on your devices I'm also hoping that we see this specifically lead to the following: - Installing your own operating system on any electronic device - Third-party video games running on proprietary consoles without the vendor's ap…

Will it also lead to: Installing your own OS on your car's infotainment? Because that would be really interesting.

We have a Tesla and I hate that I can't run something like Android Auto on it without inferior web-based workarounds, so this would be pretty nice.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by yakireev »

gyy52380 wrote: post #64
prepend wrote: post #57

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> it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp. Then you have a super blue bubble effect if everyone uses WhatsApp then you don’t communicate with people who aren’t on WhatsApp. My understanding of the blue bubble isn’t that the color matters it’s that iMessage functions only work with other iMessage users (eg, delivery is slightly different, sync with other devices, special emojis, reaction…

There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.

Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble.

Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign corporation should not be a precondition to participating in the society, don't you think?

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by QuantumSeed »

singularity2001 wrote: post #54
Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

I'm using an iOS shortcut that lets me make voice requests to OpenAI via Siri. It would be nice to eliminate that step!

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by adam_arthur »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

Competition drives innovation, believe it or not.

Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not good for innovation

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by sph »

yakireev wrote: post #75
gyy52380 wrote: post #64

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There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.

Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign c…

Sorry, but that's your choice.

The green bubble effect is because some people do not want or cannot afford an Apple phone. There's a huge difference.

If Whatsapp came with a €400 base price and roughly 50% of people using something else, I'd understand.

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prepend wrote: post #58
petodo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you don't need whatsapp desktop app, just go to web.whatsapp.com in browser, why would anyone bother with app (which can't be even installed on work computers)

I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same. Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps. And I can install it on my work computer

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