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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by perryizgr8 »

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you.

You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product.

You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and it basically took a decade for others to catch up? Fuck you, provide the fruits of your innovation to everyone for free, erasing your competitive advantage.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

ddevault wrote: post #26

I'm very excited about the Digital Markets Act. Some things that excite me which are definitely in scope: - Interopability between walled gardens like messenger apps - Side-loading software on your devices I'm also hoping that we see this specifically lead to the following: - Installing your own operating system on any electronic device - Third-party video games running on proprietary consoles without the vendor's ap…

Will it also lead to: Installing your own OS on your car's infotainment? Because that would be really interesting.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

If everyone would release their own incompatible version of TCP protocol, internet would have never happen to be. This is just same interoperability on higher level.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by singularity2001 »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #34

Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

   >>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store
Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants!

Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by snehk »

gloryjulio wrote: post #13
anaganisk wrote: post #4

If stars align right for Apple, this can at least with some probability that they can kill WhatsApp in a few countries. If they implement a few features.

Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'

This isn't at all aimed at Apple, it's aimed at Facebook. Apple already has SMS messaging integrated, it just has a green bubble and there's nothing in the proposal that would force Apple to change anything about how the messages are presented.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by perceptronas »

gloryjulio wrote: post #49
perceptronas wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of ugly green bubble, android users will be shown as ugly yellow bubbles, reminding everyone of urine

As a multiphone holder(from the work), it's interesting to observe ppl to have such a sense of superiority of some msg apps

Its a joke that people here seem not to get because I did not add /s at the end. Obviously there is no superiority, but its pretty clear that green bubble design makes it unpleasant to look at [1]

[1] - https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-...

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by prepend »

teekert wrote: post #17
gloryjulio wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'

I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.

> it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.

Then you have a super blue bubble effect if everyone uses WhatsApp then you don’t communicate with people who aren’t on WhatsApp.

My understanding of the blue bubble isn’t that the color matters it’s that iMessage functions only work with other iMessage users (eg, delivery is slightly different, sync with other devices, special emojis, reactions, etc). So if there’s one “green bubble” (ie, non-iMessage user) then the entire group text is downgraded to not do iMessage stuff.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by prepend »

petodo wrote: post #47
EduardoBautista wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Severely lacking? You can build basic app functionality into iMessage, something you can't do with WhatsApp. The desktop app for iMessage is simple, but efficient and gets the job done. The WhatsApp desktop app is slow by comparison. WhatsApp has the user numbers, but it has never been the best when it comes to functionality.

you don't need whatsapp desktop app, just go to web.whatsapp.com in browser, why would anyone bother with app (which can't be even installed on work computers)

I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same.

Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps.

And I can install it on my work computer

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #42
Kipters wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how they could, iMessage is severely lacking in features compared to WhatsApp and users don't like change, iMessage doesn't need to have feature parity but it has to be massively better - and so far it's not

Severely lacking? You can build basic app functionality into iMessage, something you can't do with WhatsApp. The desktop app for iMessage is simple, but efficient and gets the job done. The WhatsApp desktop app is slow by comparison. WhatsApp has the user numbers, but it has never been the best when it comes to functionality.

As a ThinkPad Linux user, how can I run this iMessage desktop app you speak of?

There isn’t even iMessage functionality in iCloud.com despite the breadth of other Apple products and services being there. Kinda odd how they left that one out, no?

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by microtherion »

luismedel wrote: post #6

For the love of $DEITY, I read 'Europe will acquire Apple to open up iMessage' and had to re-check today isn't April 1st :-)

Since they seem to be determined to legislate every detail of the product, from ports used to software protocols, maybe they should indeed just skip the middleman and acquire the phone makers.
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