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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by cubefox »

mikepurvis wrote: post #514
kristopolous wrote: post #508

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In practice I've been cycling phones about every two years. I just checked and all resources I've seen puts the typical lifespan around this. I don't know what the distribution looks like though. I bet the distribution curves change if you bucket the pricing points. 3 years is ok. After you buy it, they've made 100% of the money they're going to make in the transaction. They need money to come in to support such an e…

I'm still rocking an iPhone 8, and it's just fine for me— came out in Sept 2017. At this point I consider Apple's commitment to long term support to be a key element of my loyalty to them.

Yes, this I consider the key advantage of iOS over Android.

Alas, Apple also supports some highly anticompetitive business practices (App Store exclusivity/tax, EMS/iMessage) which I do not want to support.

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Post by cubefox »

kernal wrote: post #695
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

The phone costs $150 and you expect more than 3 years of updates? Here's a hack to get 12 years of updates - buy a new Nokia every 3 years x 4 and get 12 years of security updates for less than the cost of an iPhone 13.

That argument would also count against repairability, therefore it doesn't show that longer updates are better than higher repairability.

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Post by palata »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #831
palata wrote: post #813

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> security updates are a mere sales pitch that doesn't actually benefit the user a whole lot Whose sales pitch would that be? I haven't noticed that, I believe security is mostly seen a source of cost. Also we tend to change phone frequently, which is the same as a security update. But if you keep it for 5 years, it starts to matter more. > Would I have been hacked if I stuck with my Pixel 3? Hard to say. Everyone sh…

I like the analogy but there is already a level of safety after a phone reaches EOL. It seems more akin to selling a 5-point harness to somebody who already has a seatbelt.

A seatbelt does not lose its ability with time (I have never heard about "changing the seatbelts"). So they don't need updates. However, software that connects to the internet "loses" security with time (as time passes, more vulnerabilities are found). That's why we need updates: to maintain our non-zero security level. Then you could argue that we could have smaller updates with fewer patches, because what we have right now is overkill. And maybe some of those updates don't really matter much, indeed. But some do.

And for those, you need security updates.

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Post by rglullis »

cesarb wrote: post #361
rglullis wrote: post #246

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Plenty of models that can work with all frequencies, so I am not sure if that's enough of a justification. Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all. I'm still waiting for some company to start producing a keychain-sized 4G (or 5G) hotspot with an eSIM, which (I hope) would lead to more people asking for the return of the iPod Touch and for somethin…

> Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all. You mean a PDA ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant )? Modern smartphones are basically a PDA with cellular connectivity (this is more obvious with early smartphones like the Treo 650), so if you take out the cellular connectivity, what you have is once again a PDA.

I don't think this distinction makes any sense nowadays. A "smartphone without cellular connectivity" is a lot more than a "Personal Digital Assistant". Could a Palm Pilot stream music? Did it have an app store? GPS? Microphone? Could it make VoIP calls? Could it connect with an external modem so that it could work as a softphone?

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Post by WhackyIdeas »

hajola wrote: post #305
WhackyIdeas wrote: post #250

I have an iPhone Pro Max 13, and you can mark my words - I am selling this and getting a couple of these G22’s. This sounds fantastic. I cannot wait.

Curious, what is the reason you would consider buying more than 1?

Work and personal, but also as dedicated offline password managers. If I don’t need camera functionality or wifi, then can simply pop those out. The options are endless.

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Post by ohuhuhu »

fencepost wrote: post #866
ohuhuhu wrote: post #589

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I was recently looking for support cycles for Android phones but failed to find anything concrete. Can you point me to where Samsung have documented their support cycle?

On their product pages for each phone, expand the section to compare phone models and it's listed for each in the Security section. https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-a53-5g/

I wasn't looking at the US website. Samsung don't have that information listed in the equivalent page for my local market.

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Post by jokoon »

fsflover wrote: post #337
jokoon wrote: post #169

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why is not the goal?

Having the same OS on my laptop and phone is amazing. Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one, without a possibility to run desktop apps. Desktop OS allows to use desktop apps on the phone and enjoy convergence: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... .

> Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one, without a possibility to run desktop apps.

You should not run desktop apps on a phone, because smartphone have much less power. This is an important design feature. This is why smartphones OS are built differently.

And even then, I don't see how android "restricts" things. It's software. Android does not "restrict". It's an OS.

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Post by 0cVlTeIATBs »

thanksgiving wrote: post #852
motiejus wrote: post #811

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I need the eSim. :) Obviously removing the filter yields more.

Thank you for sharing. You convinced me to create my own list, which is also slim pickings https://gsmarena.com/results.php3?chk35mm=selected&chkAccele...

For whatever reason, Xperia phones are given the cold shoulder in these discussions. I secretly wish everyone who has complained about headphone jack/card slot/hole punch/screen size would buy one, and then limit their complaining to only whatever remains that an Xperia phone doesn't provide.

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Post by sourcecodeplz »

crispinb wrote: post #786
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

So very much agree. I just want a pocketable, repairable, physically robust generic phone that does all the basic things at modest cost. The only circumstance under which I'd consider the price tag of a 'premium' phone (notice how corporations have trained everyone into this risible use of language?) is if it ran a real OS and could be used as a primary computing device. But until we reach that Schlarrafenland I woul…

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