And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone with a small form factor.
Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone
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Newsflash (just looked it up), an iphone se is $429, a used one is cheaper, and factoring in support duration, may be cheaper yet. A friend who would've been among the last people I'd expect to use an iphone blogged this https://announce.asheesh.org/2022/09/i-switched-to-iphone-fo... I'm really embarrased by this (I've been a borderline Apple hater basically my whole life) but also acknowledge reality.
> a used one is cheaper, and factoring in support duration, may be cheaper yet Q: For all those hundreds of millions of people who have paid less than $150 for their phone, how many of them even gave a second thought to the support duration when they decided what to purchase?
I'd guess approximately the same number as those who have given a second thought to repairability, i.e., negligible. I'm all for increasing demand for both at the margins, including as part of savvier consumers' financial calculus.
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#394Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?
Thats like the recent thread where someone asked for a good Linux laptop, and the top comment was to buy a mac. I'll never understand this brand loyalism/consumer mentality, and to what lengths Apple folks will go to promote, justify, and defend their purchase decisions.
I don’t get it. Why a Mac cannot be a good Linux laptop?
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That refers to the formal (full firmware) updates, I'm talking about security updates that get pushed to the phone without you having to do anything. It started with the browser component many years ago, and has grown its coverage with each version. The limitations are mainly in the kernel, but they now even do graphics drivers this way (though that requires vendor cooperation, unlike everything else), but you wouldn…
> That refers to the formal (full firmware) updates, I'm talking about security updates that get pushed to the phone without you having to do anything. It is called "Android security patch level", that is not a full firmware update. It may still be something else than you have in mind, though. (How) can I check the patch level of the security updates you are relating to?
My understanding of this capability is that it started with the browser component and grew from there, suggesting that it happens automatically and there is nothing you need to check. But someone has pointed out that all the Framework vulnerabilities are still listed as being addressed by full, old-fashioned security updates, so I must admit that there is something I'm missing here.
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thats like the recent thread where someone asked for a good Linux laptop, and the top comment was to buy a mac. I'll never understand this brand loyalism/consumer mentality, and to what lengths Apple folks will go to promote, justify, and defend their purchase decisions.
I don’t get it. Why a Mac cannot be a good Linux laptop?
They can, but none of the current ones are well supported.
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#397I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…
Its a 150 EUR phone, what more do you expect >
At least 5 years of updates. So much so that I think it should probably be legally mandated and clearly marketed as the device's life span.
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#398It's kind of sad to see Nokia releasing such niche products. Most people really don't care about this "DIY" attitude, and those that do immediately shout "Schematics" or "Bootloader". It's a bit of a nightmare market to service, and certainly a far cry from where Nokia used to be (even in the windows days!). This phone is for people who are mad they can't tune the Carburetors on their Tesla.
The future I want is more eco-friendly consumer products!
They have outsourced all the repair stuff to iFixit...
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Having the same OS on my laptop and phone is amazing. Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one, without a possibility to run desktop apps. Desktop OS allows to use desktop apps on the phone and enjoy convergence: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... .
> Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one Android still runs the Linux kernel and the only reason you can't have shell access on it is user-hostile restrictions, which an open-source build wouldn't have. I think it would be a lot easier to add desktop apps capability to Android for the minority that actually wants to run Linux apps on their phone than building a touch-optimized userspace from scr…
It's the minority, because people didn't realize yet how convenient and logical it is. There should be no difference between a phone and a desktop, except for the screen size. You don't need to develop independent apps. You don't need to learn independent tools.
I can connect a screen and keyboard to my phone and use it as desktop: https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co....