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Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Isn't this what is reported by Tinder? That women get selected all the time but only the most attractive men get selected by women

Tinder wouldn’t report that, since it’s not very encouraging for their customers. The source most linked seems to be someone on Medium who interviewed people: https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... Dating apps don’t make their data available to scientists, that would be nice though! For sure life is more easy for hot people, off or on dating apps. It’s true in bars and clubs too. In settings…

> Dating apps don’t make their data available to scientists, that would be nice though!

Actually OKCupid did do that at some point, well, it was their own employees but they did extensive and very honest data analysis. After the company was sold those blog posts were erased, of course.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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What I mostly see in this thread is nobody deeply caring about relationships, marriage, kids, and the like. As the article points out, the rise of sexual gratification without relationships, coinciding with women's reshaping of the financial stability side of relationships, has mostly just resulted in a lopsided winner takes all market around biological attraction. But sexual gratification is .. just ... that. Epheme…

There is absolutely value in long term monogamous relationships. So much value you cannot see it from the inside. It's someone to 'show off' to, and to work for, and to- ineffectively- try to impress. And that matters far, far more than you'd think. It staves off the most brutal of existential crises.

I think this is a fallacy, the expected value of most monogamous relationships is zero or microscopic - most fail, many have negative value (abuse, homicide, mental illness), etc - so in some ways it's like playing the lottery.

A tax on the romantically challenged :)

Again, I say this as a proud and happy husband of 19 years!

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Historically people never felt safe. You're imagining an idealized period that never really existed. Read some firsthand accounts by people who actually lived during those times and you'll see they struggled with the same issues and worse. As for men doing better, that's pretty easy considering how many men don't even bother to try .

We will never know exactly how it was for the average person, so we might as well dream that it was better. Of course it wouldn't have been heaven, but maybe a bit less complicated at least ?

Less complicated in some dimensions, more complicated in others. There's no evidence that net complexity is higher today. Navigating social hierarchies has never been simple since before our ancestors came down out of the trees.

As others have pointed out in this discussion, we exactly know that in pre-modern times the average man died childless.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Because calling someone good looking is considered shallow and we deem shallowness a bad trait to exhibit. No one is going to say - “well the only reason I really got interested in my partner was because they were good looking”. They’ll try to posthoc justify it by saying your personality or whatever was good - even though your looks is what opened the door. I’m not denying the skills. I literally talked about the do…

Looks will always help - and I'm also literally saying that with my argument by stating that I had a harder time than my buddies because of average looks. I'm also saying that you can very significantly tilt the odds on your favor by "acting right", because that's what I experienced. Sure, being "charming" probably won't help too much in getting people to reach out to you on Tinder, but it will help you once you get…

> but it will help you once you get a few hits

You need to learn... this is the most important part. This is where men struggle. Men aren't struggling because they have a bunch of hits and need to just follow up. That is hardly the issue these days. Men have endless advice about how to act, respond, message, flirt, etc. There's endless services out there for that these days. The issue is that most men can't get a single match. Go look up the stats on this - most men never even get matches on dating services. Point blank. The same is true for going out to bars, clubs, etc. Almost all the men I know who have slept with dozens of women in the recent years say the same thing: Bars, clubs, etc. are absolute garbage for meeting women because it requires immense physical attraction for the women to want to spend any amount of time with you. The same is true of dating apps. And, guess what, most men aren't that physically attractive and never will be. This is where things like "warm approach" and building absolfuckingutely huge social networks is what most men are spending their time doing these days. (That and going to the gym, dermatologists, and cosmetic surgeons obsessively)

I think this might be more reflective of the time and place you grew up. It's certainly not the same now. I can't imagine any of my friends who are women going on a date with a random guy they haven't seen even a photo of yet. I mean - that's also a very old timey story, tbh. These days you put in the wrong phone number and you don't know where that call is going as cellphones put you anywhere in the world.

> I can see this is a problem but even that can be improved with local sports events, church, Meetups etc. Opportunities are EVERYWHERE.

Ooph. My man, you have been out of the game for a long time. Sports events with single women? lol - what are you on? Meetups!? Have you ever been to one in the last five years? It's a complete sausage fest for any activity. Church is mostly full of old and married people.

I'm sorry man, you're just living in the days of old. It's very boomer-esque. Looks are paramount for most men to have any success like you had today. You might not feel great looking but you were probably above avergage but more importantly - you lived in a time where your looks weren't as important.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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If you're insinuating I'm miserable, you are wrong. I'm plenty happy living my life as I see fit, and I don't see marriage as a potential addition to that happiness. It's as simple as that.

> I'm plenty happy living my life as I see fit Then why would you imagine parents tell their kids that life is "fucking horrible", instead of telling them that life is "plenty happy"? Like, everything you describe, you have or will go through as well, and apparently you don't find it to be "shit. Absolute shit".

I'm happy, or at least as happy as I can be, but I don't consider the cycle of life as something I want to see repeated with successive generations.

One lap around the course is plenty. If others want to bring more horses in, they're welcome to; as for me I'm not interested.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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I never made that connection before but you're absolutely right! The whole "just take a shower, comb your hair and dress nicely" dating advice is exactly like the "just walk up to the owner of the company and give him a firm handshake and you'll get the job!" career advice. It's coming from a place of good intentions, but from a reality that no longer exists.

Tbh a lot of men I've interacted that held borderline incel opinions could have used a shower and a fashion make-over. It woudn't get them the dream gf but it would have been a start from where to develop

Most incel opinions I've met are from men who are well educated, financially successful, socially fluent, dress decently, and exercise. The reason they have incel opinions is because they've done everything society told them that should attract women but they're still not getting anything.

It's no wonder most single men in FAANG are incels (only ones I found to not be single usually met their spouse in college or got arranged marriages). They're all ivy league educated, work hard, and do a lot of crazy shit for hobbies but ultimately look like a nerd and that's an incredibly oversaturated market.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Looks will always help - and I'm also literally saying that with my argument by stating that I had a harder time than my buddies because of average looks. I'm also saying that you can very significantly tilt the odds on your favor by "acting right", because that's what I experienced. Sure, being "charming" probably won't help too much in getting people to reach out to you on Tinder, but it will help you once you get…

> but it will help you once you get a few hits You need to learn... this is the most important part. This is where men struggle . Men aren't struggling because they have a bunch of hits and need to just follow up. That is hardly the issue these days. Men have endless advice about how to act, respond, message, flirt, etc. There's endless services out there for that these days. The issue is that most men can't get a si…

LOL, what can I say? I've been to most of the activities I mention recently. Meetups where most attendants are women (went to one last month), sports with groups of women in the crowd in the past 6 months... Even a cruise with my wife - full of old people AND women in their 20s... I have friends who married recently after meeting in Church. Night club in Vegas, went 3 years ago, PACKED with women...

I won't be offended by your "Boomer-esque" comment as I'm Gen X, but let me just say, Millenial son, one can go through life telling themselves that others have/had it better, only if life was fair to them...

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Boys are constantly chided for pursuing women all through school and the media. Getting denounced as creepy or weird. Actually following that advice will lead you to die alone though.

Some people are timorous and some people are reckless; unfortunately public messaging is calibrated for the latter.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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> but it will help you once you get a few hits You need to learn... this is the most important part. This is where men struggle . Men aren't struggling because they have a bunch of hits and need to just follow up. That is hardly the issue these days. Men have endless advice about how to act, respond, message, flirt, etc. There's endless services out there for that these days. The issue is that most men can't get a si…

LOL, what can I say? I've been to most of the activities I mention recently. Meetups where most attendants are women (went to one last month), sports with groups of women in the crowd in the past 6 months... Even a cruise with my wife - full of old people AND women in their 20s... I have friends who married recently after meeting in Church. Night club in Vegas, went 3 years ago, PACKED with women... I won't be offend…

Consider the ratios. “Groups of women” doesn’t mean anything if there are “hordes of men”. Come to nyc or sf or any major city. It’s overwhelming how many single men show up to any event. Often more men but especially more single men than single women. I also think a cruise is almost the worst place to try to meet a partner. People fly in from all over for cruises…

What kind of meetup? I haven’t seen any with any good amount of women.

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