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Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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> Or are younger women primarily dating older men? yes and each other

...and are unknowingly sharing some studs.

...or knowingly sharing. Some women would rather non-exclusively have a partner they perceive to be high value than exclusively have a partner they perceive to be low value. I've heard it put as: "I'd rather have 25% of a winner than 100% of a loser."

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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I see this talking point all the time yet never backed up by studies. That would mean that these attractive men put a premium on quantity over quality (because they’d have to date women less attractive then them for the numbers to work out) and have lots of time and mental energy at their disposal to manage these concurrent relationships. Whereas in general people tend to date people that are more or less as attracti…

Isn't this what is reported by Tinder? That women get selected all the time but only the most attractive men get selected by women

Tinder wouldn’t report that, since it’s not very encouraging for their customers. The source most linked seems to be someone on Medium who interviewed people: https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g...

Dating apps don’t make their data available to scientists, that would be nice though!

For sure life is more easy for hot people, off or on dating apps. It’s true in bars and clubs too. In settings where people have more of a time to get to know each other it probably matters less, even if it always plays a role. It’s just that, as long as society’s concept of a relationship is still two people together, and not one person with a harem, these attractive people at the top of the pyramid will end up being picky too.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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True, but what I'm saying is that the same overall approach - at least in my case - worked well in the US, even though things were harder at first (some tweaks were needed indeed). I bet things would be different in India or Saudi Arabia, however we're talking about the US here. I'm saying that if young American men had the opportunity to learn how to court women, they would have no problems finding mates.

Can you elaborate on what it means to court a woman?

It can mean many things, but it will generally eventually boil down to some sort of sexual relation at some point in the future, not necessarily in the context of, but also not excluding, a relationship. There could be other possible outcomes of a courtship (living together with no sex?), but I think that's the most common.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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True, but what I'm saying is that the same overall approach - at least in my case - worked well in the US, even though things were harder at first (some tweaks were needed indeed). I bet things would be different in India or Saudi Arabia, however we're talking about the US here. I'm saying that if young American men had the opportunity to learn how to court women, they would have no problems finding mates.

> if young American men had the opportunity to learn how to court women You growing up in a culture where courting women is encouraged makes a huge difference, you can't really practice if it isn't socially acceptable to court women badly.

Yeah, I think that's the most likely reason. Although it's always possible to catch up after school in a late bloomer sense.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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We need to produce less children, so that trend is perfectly good, isn't it? And the younger the woman the better, isn't that an obvious? What about friendship between men, this is your personal choice. I have more than one really close friend and I can not see myself without that kind of relationship.

We have a bunch a problem that could be solved by tech progress. Tech progress is pushed by more brains. More sticks in pop fertility's wheels reduce the number of brains available to work on said problems.

> Tech progress is pushed by more brains.

You are saying that in such a way like we may just grow gazillions of C. Elegans and fill the gap.

(this is an organism with the smallest brain known, very popular guest in neuro studies).

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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I get quite tired of the boomer-esque takes on HN and everywhere else. The quintessential one is “shower, dress, have a job, and be respectful” is somehow enough to attract just about any woman. People assume that 60% of young men must just be filthy neckbeard degenerates. As far as I can tell - this is cause they never talk to young people or meet any. Attracting young women today is an entirely different ballgame t…

I never made that connection before but you're absolutely right! The whole "just take a shower, comb your hair and dress nicely" dating advice is exactly like the "just walk up to the owner of the company and give him a firm handshake and you'll get the job!" career advice. It's coming from a place of good intentions, but from a reality that no longer exists.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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I grew up in Latin America but now I'm married to an American woman and thus out of the "pool". I hang out with coworkers still in their 20s and I'm blown away by how their teens and 20s differed from mine. When I was single, all my friends and I could think about was how to find the next date or sexual partner. We were all very active, and I personally had over a dozen "serious" girlfriends (3+ months) and another c…

How old are you? I’ve found many men also severely underrate how physically attractive they are. I’ve had male models tell me they’re average looking, guys who are 6ft+ say they’re average height, and guys who literally have girls asking them out saying they’re nothing special. You might think you know how to talk to women but it might just be a halo effect. It’s more often that than anything else. I’ve seen many men…

I'm in my 40s.

Well, I'm not saying I'm unattractive, just that I won't stand out in a crowd. I'm the average guy. I'm healthy, not overweight, I shave regularly and wear Tommy Hilfiger instead of Target (although they might sell TH at Target, haha).

Here's how I know it: it's the amount of effort I have to put in getting a mate. I said I learned how to do it with a lot of trial and error, but that's not the case for a few of my friends. Women come to them with minimal effort (I've witnessed it many times). Not the case with me, I have to initiate it and conquer every inch of territory, so to speak.

I also had a hard time on dating websites when I used to do that. Few responses, almost zero girls reaching out organically, but a high success rate when getting a response (however that is to be expected, I suppose).

For a math analogy, I don't get the A because I'm a genius and finished the test in 10 minutes without studying. I'm the guy who studies a lot to get the A, so not a "natural", just someone with enough potential alongside learning to write the right things down.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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Is it? Are open relationships that statistically significant?

I think we're talking about ambiguous relationships, not open ones.

So situations where women think they're in a relationship, but the man does not (or not with them). Again, is this statistically significant? Are women's standards for what qualifies as a relationship low enough that they think they're in one with 1/2, 1/3, or even less, of a man's time?

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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We do not need to produce less people.

Why do we need billions of humans?

"we" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your sentence but we're about 2 centuries away from complete population collapse of the species.

There are less babies born on this day than any day in history, and that will be true for the rest of our entire species' existence, barring major technological "Brave New World" style test tube baby advances (which are indeed extremely likely given this fact.)

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