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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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It really ought to be illegal to rewrite a book and portray it as the original authors work. If you want to make your version ... assuming copyright allows ... sure ... just don't pretend it is the work of the original author. Imagine if people did this to laws: "we re-wrote it to suit our prejudices, but since we published it as if it was the original work ... thats all ok ... right?"

> It really ought to be illegal to rewrite a book and portray it as the original authors work. They're already doing it with TV shows. Look at the Witcher TV series for instance - which has strayed quite far from the source material. Even the author (Andrzej Sapkowski) has denounced his relationship to it, yet they're claiming it somehow to still have his blessing, and still be be 'The Witcher'.

Stories have always changed with the times. I studied medieval lit at university, so a salient example comes to mind immediately: Perceval, by Chretien. He died with it unfinished, but it nonetheless circulated, and there are no fewer than four "continuations," each quite clearly tied to the original; and further still, Wolfram von Eschenbach based his own Parzival (probably the greatest work of medieval German literature) on Chretien's work.

The only difference in modern times is that we're often leaving the original author's name attached, which is, admittedly, rather insidious.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I wonder when will they start editing Harry Potter, what with the Dursleys being caricature fatsos = villains.

Knowing the author, she'd probably try to update the book to make Dursley trans.

Do you know the author?

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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No, the person you replied to was correct (for my region and presumably his). My knowledge of the term mirrors his and I'm kind of disappointed to see so many people asserting there is no common, derogatory, gendered use of the term just because they are unfamiliar with it. I see a lot of people with no knowledge or experience with this common usage. That's fine, but it's arrogant to assume things you don't know are…

It may have a gendered connotation some places, I definitely don’t think it does in my English-speaking country (Australia). Screeching primarily used for inanimate objects (wheels, alarms, etc.) and animals and then secondarily mostly in a non-gendered way for children. Interestingly the examples in both the entry from Oxford that Google brought up when I searched the term, and the second example in the Cambridge di…

> So it goes both ways - just because something is the case in your region doesn’t mean it’s true across the board.

I never said nor suggested that it did. I was criticizing the people saying it is not a common usage because they hadn't heard it. You and the other user trying to correct me by repeating how you are from a place where the meaning is different both completely missed the point.

The meaning exists, and is used derogatorily, and definitely commonly in some places. None of what you wrote has any bearing on that.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #514

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No, the person you replied to was correct (for my region and presumably his). My knowledge of the term mirrors his and I'm kind of disappointed to see so many people asserting there is no common, derogatory, gendered use of the term just because they are unfamiliar with it. I see a lot of people with no knowledge or experience with this common usage. That's fine, but it's arrogant to assume things you don't know are…

> I'm kind of disappointed to see so many people asserting there is no common, derogatory, gendered use of the term just because they are unfamiliar with it. Maybe worth reconsidering if your understanding of the term is truly "common." > That's fine, but it's arrogant to assume things you don't know are nonsense. It also seems pretty arrogant to assert you know better than everyone else.

> It also seems pretty arrogant to assert you know better than everyone else.

I did not assert that. I made a correction, which was in fact correct.

The meaning does exist, and commonly, even if in regions you are unfamiliar with. I did not misuse the word common. I think you just emotionally reacted to being called arrogant, when in fact it was a merited criticism.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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So you think editing out offensive wording in fiction is equivalent to changing who the protagonists were in a historical event? That is both silly and a hyperbolic attempt to shutdown a fair discussion that reasonable people might form differing conclusions from. Censorship isn't the only tool against free speech.

That still doesn't explain how the hyperbole is dangerous.

Shutting down a reasonable conversation you don't agree with is tantamount to censorship. If you don't consider that dangerous, well again, reasonable people will disagree.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Define 'man'.

Checkmate

If you're being sarcastic, it's the suitably frivolous response to being woke-scolded by someone not aware enough to use gender carefully.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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That was my thought. Reading about all the changes had me looking askance at Roald Dahl: it's like, sheesh, somebody's far more edgy than they really needed to be. But that's who that guy was. That's what came out when he set out to be edgy. Removing it, you might as well write a different book. Misrepresenting who the guy is in order to sugar-coat him seems not the right approach, to me. So if you do that, you shoul…

> you should DEFINITELY edit Harry Potter to get the terfliness out of it Have you actually read Harry Potter? What are you referring to within the books? Rowling was a progressive darling for years until she expressed disallowed sentiments outside of her fiction writing.

> Rowling was a progressive darling for years until she expressed disallowed sentiments outside of her fiction writing.

Really? Talents based on heredity, the portrayals of the Dursleys as fat, the renditions of other cultures, the questions of whether the goblin bankers echoed anti-Semitic stereotypes, the domestic slavery, etc. got criticism for years. She got some kudos eventually for saying Dumbledore was gay but that was late and never in the books, so it seems pretty minor to hang that theory on.

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Sure, but at that point you're just saying that a neutral descriptive term is more commonly-applicable to one gender. Is the word "sobbing" or the word "weeping" derogatory? Visibly-emotional crying is also associated with women, and isn't a stereotypically "manly" thing to do.

I'm saying it could be interpreted that way by extremely uncharitable individuals that try to make their existence out of being offended and fixing "social injustices", instead of recognizing that in vast majority of cases no actual person was even offended, author didn't mean anything close to offending anyone, and the word was just used to make writing more colorful.

Right, sure. I was less arguing with you than highlighting the intellectual bankruptcy of this movement.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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They left in wonky nose, crooked mouth, and stick out teeth, but took out the reference to fat? That's wild. The fat is arguably the only fixable thing, or at least the cheapest. You can't "just stop eating so much" and fix a wonky nose or stick out teeth. Calories aren't magic and hard to fathom. Normalizing being overweight is going to kill a lot of people early.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34849710 and marked it off topic.

Is it off topic? It's a direct commentary on the precise changes being made? What constitutes off topic in this case?

I mean... it's weird that they (the publishers, or possibly the estate) think it's okay to retroactively edit these books at all, but the specific edits they have made make it all the more bizarre.

It's really very strange to take a view that weight is sacred, but teeth, noses, and other aspects of general appearance are not.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Here's a good list of changes. Most are about removing any references to ugly or fat. But also other strange things like changing the author's Matilda likes to read to include Jane Austin and John Steinbeck, not calling people crazy, swapping screeching to annoying, removing brothers and sisters to favor "siblings" and using "folks" instead of "ladies and gentlemen" https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1626860237104…

> But also other strange things like changing the author's Matilda likes to read to include Jane Austin and John Steinbeck

No one will read this, but I believe the authors Matilda "liked" to read have been judged to be politically incorrect. And we wouldn't want to give sensitive young mind a reason to look them up. /s

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