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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling wrote favorably about colonialism; they were replaced with more agreeable authors. Use of gendered language is marginalizing to nonbinary people. It's easy to figure out why these changes are being made in particular, once you take a position of empathy.

I can be (and in fact am) empathetic. At the same time, I still take the position that non-binary people and other cultural minorities can simultaneously enjoy non-edited older fiction and understand that it may not have been written with them in mind (and may even be mocking or a little mean). Write new books. Make them as inclusive or exclusive as you want. I just think it's very telling that you hear so much about…

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This Dahl situation seems ridiculous and deserving of derision. I would also like to bring your attention to the Florida school book ban which applies not just to new editions of one author, but to an entire state's education system. > Among the titles that have been removed and banned in the course of the vetting in her school district are Toni Morrison’s ‘The Bluest Eye,’ ‘The Kite Runner’ by Khaled Hosseini, ‘The…

This just seems to relate to school libraries, but the books presumably would be available through public libraries or Amazon? School libraries by design have a pretty limited selection, generally confined to the topics covered by the curriculum. Or am I wrong in understanding the nature of the ban?

Completely wrong, it's a pretty naked power play by the governor.

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I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

It sounds like you have access to some objective truth on language that we see missing.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered... Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell

This Dahl situation seems ridiculous and deserving of derision. I would also like to bring your attention to the Florida school book ban which applies not just to new editions of one author, but to an entire state's education system. > Among the titles that have been removed and banned in the course of the vetting in her school district are Toni Morrison’s ‘The Bluest Eye,’ ‘The Kite Runner’ by Khaled Hosseini, ‘The…

Strange how Camus and Morrison books are banned, but they are authors who are covered on Florida's now preferred Classic/Christian Learning Test: https://www.cltexam.com/tests/authors/

How are students supposed to study for the test if the authors are banned? :)

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/17/de...

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

Define 'man'.

Checkmate

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Here's a good list of changes. Most are about removing any references to ugly or fat. But also other strange things like changing the author's Matilda likes to read to include Jane Austin and John Steinbeck, not calling people crazy, swapping screeching to annoying, removing brothers and sisters to favor "siblings" and using "folks" instead of "ladies and gentlemen" https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1626860237104…

Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling wrote favorably about colonialism; they were replaced with more agreeable authors. Use of gendered language is marginalizing to nonbinary people. It's easy to figure out why these changes are being made in particular, once you take a position of empathy.

Empathy isn’t usually associated with rewriting history, but rather with an urge to volunteer to help the homeless.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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As a parent I continuously made changes when reading to my children. Some old language became problematic, and the reading became a struggle over mean ways of saying things. They can read that themselves, once they learn to read. Then they can ask the questions.

Until then reading time was for the fun story, not a dive into racism or body shaming.

My point being, it's nothing new.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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It turns out that Dahl was a real antisemite, to me that is more of an issue: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam...

Roald Dahl personally killed Nazis as a fighter pilot.

Go look it up.

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered... Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Yes, they are censorship by the rights owner of the author's work. Clearly and uncontroversially. edit: also, a "rights owner" is what we call someone who has a government-granted monopoly on the right to publish a work. Granting or transferring exclusive publishing rights to entities that would be willing to censor a work would be a government end-run around prior restraint.

> Yes, they are censorship by the rights owner of the author's work. Is that true when the rights owner (as is often the case) is the author? If it is not (or if it is but it is not problematic) in that case, why would it be if the rights owner is the author's heir, or an entity to whom the author or their heir has voluntarily, whether for value or other reasons, transferred the rights? > also, a “rights owner” is wh…

Self-censorship is arguably the most insidious and pernicious of all forms of speech suppression.
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