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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dmix »

kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

You're surprised a headline like "The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink" from "reneweuropegroup.eu" [1] stirs up nationalistic mud flinging?

It's silly to blame HN for this. This sort of headline is just asking for the conversation to be derailed. Which is exactly why your comment is #1 and the comments below it are quickly derailing into it's own version of EU vs US.

[1] which is apparently a political group's website https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renew_Europe

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by 988747 »

alright_scowl wrote: post #160
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by robertlagrant »

RobotToaster wrote: post #58
RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

I agree, but in the capitalistic economy that we unfortunately live in, competition is the only thing that will lower prices.

Competition is almost the only thing that has ever lowered prices, raised wages, raised quality and invented new things. It's weird to demonise competition.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by alright_scowl »

988747 wrote: post #242
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

I think the benefits far outweigh the downsides. To be frank, I think a big chunk of its problems is that it is not integrated enough.

Then again, my perspective is from someone not originally from Europe, that chose to migrate here and declined job offers from the US even though I would receive considerably more money had I accepted. I have zero regrets, by the way.

So take my opinion as one without the social nuance from someone born here.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dmix »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #217
mardifoufs wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For terminally online people, prehaps. But in real life, no, people aren't generally obsessed by twitter drama. Real life usage is what matters, and if it's good enough for the ukrainian army in an active war zone...

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They cut off access to military drones... drones which will still have access to military satellite data feeds from NATO countries. Yet every video posted on Reddit of commercial drones used by UA soldiers is still obviously using Starlink. Beyond drones it's still a critical asset, probably as much or more important than Javelins / HIMARs.

This is a PR move, since Starlink is trying to deploy globally it doesn't look good when they are supporting a military.

Making it seem like you're ostensibly a civilian org is a wise move, while in practice Starlink remains the #1 technical contribution by a foreign entity supporting the war effort.

Of course, what it actually means IRL won't stop the people looking for a villain and spreading FUD as if they cut off the entire military.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by CamperBob2 »

justeleblanc wrote: post #235
betaby wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Galileo was down for 5 days in a row in 2019. I won't go in to the details of other issues of, for that Bert Hubert's blog is a good start.

Now that's an indictment! One major outage in nearly a decade. Better write off the whole programme as a waste of money. Meanwhile the whole US government gets shut down seemingly every other year.

Are you sure you're writing from an informed perspective? Galileo holds a LOT of expensive, time-consuming lessons that this project will do well to absorb. Outages are only scratching the surface.

You'll note that I didn't say "Galileo sucks," or "those guys are morons," or that there was no reason to build it. But the fact that it took longer to commission than the original NAVSTAR GPS system doesn't augur well for a Starlink clone. Which, in any event, will probably be so highly regulated and censored that it will be more like an orbital Minitel than a conventional ISP.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by alright_scowl »

permo-w wrote: post #220
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

is that odd? it doesn’t seem surprising to me that Americans would think USA good EU bad

Forgive me for not taking their opinion about an economic block that they don't seem to understand and that their country doesn't belong to very seriously.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by coder543 »

deeviant wrote: post #216
RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

I'm a very big fan of astronomy, but I can't seem to care at all about satellites blocking terrestrial telescopes. Ubiquitous connectivity is simply a larger concern than land based telescopes. Further, space based telescopes seem to be the future of the discipline. While land based radio telescopes are less effected by satellites. A bigger concern is Kepler syndrome, but that threat seems minimal in LEO.

Kessler syndome, not Kepler, just FYI

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by realworldperson »

988747 wrote: post #242
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

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