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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ohgodplsno »

inglor_cz wrote: post #34
tifadg1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no country called EU and there is no single market in that a startup could scale seamlessly in all 27 members - it'll still have to follow local laws. So it's mostly a matter of scale - if you can't outscale US/China/India, you can't compete with those that can.

That is somewhat of an indictment of the "single market" idea, or, more precisely, of its implementation. We still have shocking differences not just in tech, but in food quality across the EU. Whatever sells in Czechia, Croatia or Bulgaria tends to be a) more expensive than in Germany and b) less good. I can't imagine the same happening in the US; Mississippians wouldn't tolerate being fed with worse cheese than New…

>Mississippians wouldn't tolerate being fed with worse cheese than Newyorkers only because their different economic power.

And yet, it's the case ? Sure, you can find the same products if you go looking, but the average food quality between those two states will be wildly different. And that's without taking into account that the average food quality in the US is awful.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by permo-w »

js4ever wrote: post #35
kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

Maybe because it's always in response to, and generally a failed copy costing billions to Europeans because of bureaucrats?

“because of bureaucrats”. with such a nuanced justification, perhaps you should consider the solidity of your position

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by betaby »

justeleblanc wrote: post #224
CamperBob2 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Galileo might be a good example to discuss in this context.

Are you talking about the satellite navigation system that's been usable and widely used for about a decade? The one that gives location data ten times more precise than GPS (1m vs 10m)? That's a "failed copy costing billions to Europeans"? Really?

Galileo was down for 5 days in a row in 2019. I won't go in to the details of other issues of, for that Bert Hubert's blog is a good start.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by karaterobot »

Ambolia wrote: post #84
concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

Those thousands won't get blamed personally if it fails. But Musk will be.

Well okay, that's true, but they would lose their jobs and not have billions of dollars to fall back on. So there is a strong personal element for them. In the classic pigs/chickens formulation, Elon is closer to the chicken side — he's got other companies to devote time to.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by justeleblanc »

betaby wrote: post #233
justeleblanc wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about the satellite navigation system that's been usable and widely used for about a decade? The one that gives location data ten times more precise than GPS (1m vs 10m)? That's a "failed copy costing billions to Europeans"? Really?

Galileo was down for 5 days in a row in 2019. I won't go in to the details of other issues of, for that Bert Hubert's blog is a good start.

Now that's an indictment! One major outage in nearly a decade. Better write off the whole programme as a waste of money.

Meanwhile the whole US government gets shut down seemingly every other year.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by permo-w »

Ambolia wrote: post #70
inglor_cz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are entire palettes of fantastically sounding plans to be found in Brussels. Don't get your hopes up.

Remains to be seen how the German economy evolves and if they are going to pay for it, because other EU countries probably won't.

that’s not really how the EU works

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by betaby »

justeleblanc wrote: post #235
betaby wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Galileo was down for 5 days in a row in 2019. I won't go in to the details of other issues of, for that Bert Hubert's blog is a good start.

Now that's an indictment! One major outage in nearly a decade. Better write off the whole programme as a waste of money. Meanwhile the whole US government gets shut down seemingly every other year.

Are we still on the satellite communications subject?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by justeleblanc »

betaby wrote: post #237
justeleblanc wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that's an indictment! One major outage in nearly a decade. Better write off the whole programme as a waste of money. Meanwhile the whole US government gets shut down seemingly every other year.

Are we still on the satellite communications subject?

Yes, we are. Why?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by justeleblanc »

frankreyes wrote: post #182
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #173

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If there is a point to bring electricity into a village, then there is a point to bring there also a fiber.

Infrastructure has to be self financed otherwise it's a waste of resources. That's why rural areas do not have internet. It fails every time

I don't know where you live, but in most of Europe, rural areas have internet too. It doesn't "fail every time".

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by atoav »

abudabi123 wrote: post #225
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better" Nothing stops the EU from landing a probe on the surface of Mars, successfully.

I can't shake the feeling you have been baited successfully.
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