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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by mardifoufs »

kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

This is a bit crazy to me since it seems like there is a constant, almost never ending praise for everything related to Europe here. But I totally get that it's probably a difference in what topic we browse and what comments we read, so your experience is just as valid. I guess it's just surprising to me!

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by mardifoufs »

0xDEF wrote: post #17
sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

For terminally online people, prehaps. But in real life, no, people aren't generally obsessed by twitter drama. Real life usage is what matters, and if it's good enough for the ukrainian army in an active war zone...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ohgodplsno »

pxmpxm wrote: post #191
j_san wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm european and dont like thousands of satelites swirrling around in the sky as well but I'd rather have government-founded satelites for the public benefit than from some way-too-rich sociopath's private company. Of course - this project would probably not exist without Starlink, so credit where credit is due. Personally I find it quite sad that we're destroying the night sky in the sense that before these projects…

> some way-too-rich sociopath's private company. I am certainly you've developed this view in November of 2022. Meanwhile any European stuck with DSL - which would be most of my family - would be ecstatic to get sensible bandwidth today.

Musk has been proving he's a danger to society for the better part of the last ten years.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by mardifoufs »

justeleblanc wrote: post #210
nbevans wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Operational? Yes. Reliable? No. It has had numerous outages in the last 4 years. How do you explain several non-EU states being members of the Galileo programme - namely Switzerland and Norway? Hell, even China invested into it in 2003. And yet, the UK which invested almost a quarter of its funding is booted out on the basis of an unrelated political issue? It doesn't make sense. The British even offered to continue…

> No. It has had numerous outages in the last 4 years. That's just plain false. There was one major outage in 2019. Since then, nothing of note.

I think it has, when compared to GPS or even GLONASS.

https://insidegnss.com/galileo-logs-a-5-hour-timing-related-...

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/galileo-accident/

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by doubleg72 »

frankreyes wrote: post #182
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is a point to bring electricity into a village, then there is a point to bring there also a fiber.

Infrastructure has to be self financed otherwise it's a waste of resources. That's why rural areas do not have internet. It fails every time

This is a rather stupid comment.. so all public utilities are failed, wasted resources?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by deeviant »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

I'm a very big fan of astronomy, but I can't seem to care at all about satellites blocking terrestrial telescopes. Ubiquitous connectivity is simply a larger concern than land based telescopes.

Further, space based telescopes seem to be the future of the discipline. While land based radio telescopes are less effected by satellites.

A bigger concern is Kepler syndrome, but that threat seems minimal in LEO.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ohgodplsno »

mardifoufs wrote: post #212
0xDEF wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

For terminally online people, prehaps. But in real life, no, people aren't generally obsessed by twitter drama. Real life usage is what matters, and if it's good enough for the ukrainian army in an active war zone...

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by doubleg72 »

frankreyes wrote: post #132
RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

The whole point of Starlink is that it's economically unfeasible to reach everywhere. Specially in rural areas, neither cables, fiber optics or 5G will make it. Keep wasting money in Europe.

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by CamperBob2 »

justeleblanc wrote: post #104
js4ever wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because it's always in response to, and generally a failed copy costing billions to Europeans because of bureaucrats?

Any examples you'd care to elaborate about?

Galileo might be a good example to discuss in this context.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by permo-w »

alright_scowl wrote: post #160
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

is that odd? it doesn’t seem surprising to me that Americans would think USA good EU bad
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