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Civilization 7 Is in Development

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Re: Civilization 7 Is in Development

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Post by int_19h »

oefrha wrote: post #13
corbulo wrote: post #5

Did Civ6 end up being good? Civ games usually only beat their predecessors once the last expansion comes out. I stopped playing 6 after the climate change DLC. Was pretty underwhelmed. Has it matured now like 5 did?

Districts mechanics is great, I can’t imagine going back to the old everything in city center model. Loyalty mechanics is a mixed blessing, after so many years I can’t say whether I like it or not. I find climate mechanics a nice yet minor addition. AI is crappy as ever. But since you only stopped playing after Gathering Storms you should already know what I said above; the game hasn’t changed much since, even one ma…

I find district mechanics as implemented to be too much of a micro-optimizing puzzle game, especially once you get to late game tech. Make a single mistaken placement early on in city development, and you can block yourself off from important wonders or buildings in that city.

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Post by herewulf »

jasonkester wrote: post #46
xref wrote: post #45

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I dunno, just based on how much studios believe they need to deliver in a AAA title. You seem like you’re craving a simpler experience than the enormous budget and revenue expectations dictate will get created.

Yeah, they kinda screwed themselves by getting the first one perfect. The ideal sequel would be "Civ 1, with new graphics and better automation". Then iterate on that every few years.

Civ V improved a lot on warfare. There's not a lot of depth to stacks upon stacks of the same units.

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Post by marticode »

corbulo wrote: post #5

Did Civ6 end up being good? Civ games usually only beat their predecessors once the last expansion comes out. I stopped playing 6 after the climate change DLC. Was pretty underwhelmed. Has it matured now like 5 did?

I have played all of them since the first and this is my most disliked. There's something just not quite right with it for me though I can't put my finger on it.

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Post by beebeepka »

nicolas_t wrote: post #69
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #59

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Civilization II was great. It didn't break anything and in some areas it was better than the first one. Other sequels were meh, the only good feature is borders creep that prevents other players from building cities on your territory.

Yes as much as I have found memories of the first Civilization, I'd still say Civ 2 is my favorite followed by Civ IV. Alpha Centauri is still my favourite of them all though.

I keep buying them but I only ever liked civ IV. Stealing cities with culture was so much fun. They also had Spock do the voice acting. What a phenomenal game.

Literally the only turn based strategy I like

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Post by Auracle »

epigramx wrote: post #26
dgant wrote: post #24

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The dirty secret is we think we want the AI to play more realistically, but actually don't. This is true in many games but especially Civilization, where we rely on the AI behaving predictably to feel mastery over the environment, and for diplomacy to feel "fair". If the AI were playing to win, diplomacy would mostly evaporate as a game system. It'd break the fiction of the game.

a lot about the nonsensical lust for 'ai' will be solved, once people realize it's not literal human 'intelligence', it's just a collage of data based on statistical analysis of past data and a prompt.

Careful, it’s possible you just described human intelligence ;)

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Post by lock-the-spock »

jasonkester wrote: post #39

I bought the original when it came out and, together with Master of Orion, it ate so much of my life that it added a year to my time at university. Since then I've bought every new Civ as it came out and maybe played through two or three games before abandoning it. None of them capture the original, but rather just add more and different crap to micromanage. They're just not fun. The big exception is Alpha Centauri,…

The free Unciv (available on Play and F-droid) is a great alternative for on the go. Simpler and less focus on graphics. Great little game

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Post by vikingerik »

enraged_camel wrote: post #16
binarycrusader wrote: post #14

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I hope they’re thinking more Alpha Centauri ;)

I can’t believe there hasn’t been a modern remake of that.

The big problem is that Electronic Arts owns the rights to SMAC, and they're not interested in doing anything with the intellectual property.

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Post by herewulf »

gmadsen wrote: post #41
epigramx wrote: post #26

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a lot about the nonsensical lust for 'ai' will be solved, once people realize it's not literal human 'intelligence', it's just a collage of data based on statistical analysis of past data and a prompt.

right, thats why some moves by alphago were called beautiful and deeply creative by human go masters? idk know why this keeps getting repeated, it is NOT a statistical analysis of past data and a prompt. It is not just pattern matching. It is building models to predict patterns, which is a very different statement. And the fact of the matter is, is that is mostly still an unknown blackbox. It is an area of active res…

And therefore it's "intelligent"? eye roll AI as we know it is nothing more than marketing. At least in the gaming sense everyone knows there are no actual smarts.

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Post by badpun »

dgant wrote: post #24
janalsncm wrote: post #6

It would be really interesting if some of the advances in AI could make their way into the game. Make the gameplay more human by incorporating recent advances in ML-based gameplay e.g. Diplomacy and Poker. Create more variety of dialogue using transformer models. Make in-game diplomacy more nuanced. There’s a lot that could be done.

The dirty secret is we think we want the AI to play more realistically, but actually don't. This is true in many games but especially Civilization, where we rely on the AI behaving predictably to feel mastery over the environment, and for diplomacy to feel "fair". If the AI were playing to win, diplomacy would mostly evaporate as a game system. It'd break the fiction of the game.

In the real world, countries are lead by people (smarter than the best AI) and diplomacy is still a (major) thing.
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